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Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by nearbuy »

thangalin wrote: post #113
simonw wrote: post #2

Any time I see people say "I don't see why I should care about my privacy, I've got nothing to hide" I think about how badly things can go if the wrong people end up in positions of power. The classic example here is what happens when someone is being stalked by an abusive ex-partner who works in law enforcement and has access to those databases. This ICE stuff is that scaled up to a multi-billion dollar federal agen…

> I've got nothing to hide. Some retorts for people swayed by that argument: "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?" "Let's send your mom all your text messages." "Ain't nothin' in my pockets, but I'd rather you didn't check." "Shall we live-stream your next doctor's appointment?" "May I watch you enter your PIN at the ATM?" "How about you post your credit card number on reddit?" "Care to read your high-school diary…

I'm pro-privacy and I still think these retorts just make it sound like you've put zero effort into understanding what the "nothing to hide" people are trying to articulate.

E.g. "Can we put a camera in your bathroom?"

Very few people are arguing that nudity or bathroom use shouldn't be private, and they are not going to understand what this has to do with their argument that the NSA should be allowed to see Google searches to fight terrorism or whatever.

Privacy arguments are about who should have access to what information. For example, I'm fine with Google seeing my Google searches, but not the government monitoring them.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by ljsprague »

fendy3002 wrote: post #710
hwguy45 wrote: post #674

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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if there are massive frauds, DOGE should've revealed that. The fact that people keep spewing no investigation while there should be several times shows how ignorant people is.

DOGE would have found everything.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

cael450 wrote: post #309
loeg wrote: post #6

Why would Medicaid have the data of anyone who is at risk of immigration enforcement? The reported connection seems tenuous: > The tool – dubbed Enhanced Leads Identification & Targeting for Enforcement (ELITE) – receives peoples’ addresses from the Department of Health and Human Services (which includes Medicaid) and other sources, 404 Media reports based on court testimony in Oregon by law enforcement agents, among…

My wife works in autism services in a predominantly Latino city. Those kids all have Medicaid, which includes info about their parents. It would be pretty trivial to cross reference with other data points to identify kids with undocumented parents and then you have their home address. Many of these kids go to a clinic everyday, so now you know when someone (likely a parent) is dropping them off too. She’s had patient…

Using the medical need of someone's child in order to track them down and deport them, separating them from their family ?

I wish I believed in god, because this shit is beyond evil.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by CyLith »

llbbdd wrote: post #649
AndrewKemendo wrote: post #607

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How is not just straight up bigotry? You’re unambiguously saying that his appearance is the relevant factor in his ideas You’re doing literally what I described

There's a popular video on YouTube of him eating skin peeled from his foot during a lecture at a college. Not AI, very old, repellant to normal people.

I was in the room and personally witnessed that. It definitely changed my opinion of him and not in a good way.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by lovich »

zugi wrote: post #523
lovich wrote: post #466

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Not anymore. Now in the US you can be arrested if cops think you disrespected a dead guy they liked[1] [1] https://apnews.com/article/charlie-kirk-meme-tennessee-arres...

Yes, that was egregious and well-publicized. I've seen another case of a small-town sheriff arresting someone for a Facebook post that absolutely was not a threat of violence. Both were released and I believe the latter won a lawsuit for wrongful arrest. But in general in the US "offending" others is not a legal basis for arrest, as much as some in power would like it to be.

If the sheriff who arrested this person has zero personal consequences that make him change his behavior, then it is de facto legal for them to arrest you for your speech.

They can do what they like, and your compensation if the courts think you were harmed, comes out of your own pocket as a taxpayer.

Show me the incentives and I’ll show you the outcome. The incentive here is that someone the government don’t like got put in a cell for a month and couldn’t speak, and they get no downsides. I wonder what will keep happening more and more.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by smsm42 »

jayd16 wrote: post #709
smsm42 wrote: post #705

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> Are you a citizen, can you prove it at the polling station? Yes, I have multiple documents proving my citizenship. Never been asked though, ID always sufficed. > so I think we'll set your vote aside, or possibly prevent it from being cast; we can't be too sure! I have voted in more than one state (legally, I moved) never seen any voting place asking for any documents except for state ID and voter roll check. I don'…

Look up Jim Crow. It's not hypothetical.

What's not hypothetical? Sure, there once existed racist laws in the US. How does it relate to establishing citizenship or presumedly some documents proving citizenship being considered "not legit enough"?

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by trimethylpurine »

brendoelfrendo wrote: post #571
trimethylpurine wrote: post #375

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> What is stopping this lowlife Same as with all other crime, we hope it's the law that stops him. We hope that more policemen want to be good men than bad. The illusion of safety is based on the honor system. Society doesn't work without that.

That assumes that the people who enforce the law want good people to be police officers, and that has never been the case. It is certainly not the case with our current ICE officers.

It doesn't assume anything. It's literally what's happening right now. All of your neighbors don't want to steal all of your stuff. Think about the fact that this is only true in certain places, regardless of what laws exist. Laws have very little effect on criminal behavior. Your peers being cool people are all that really protects your safety and your property.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by quacked »

4gotunameagain wrote: post #723
cael450 wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My wife works in autism services in a predominantly Latino city. Those kids all have Medicaid, which includes info about their parents. It would be pretty trivial to cross reference with other data points to identify kids with undocumented parents and then you have their home address. Many of these kids go to a clinic everyday, so now you know when someone (likely a parent) is dropping them off too. She’s had patient…

Using the medical need of someone's child in order to track them down and deport them, separating them from their family ? I wish I believed in god, because this shit is beyond evil.

What ICE is doing is naked incompetent fascism and the entity needs to be disbanded with hostility.

With that said, no, it's not evil to deport people who entered a country illegally. If I sneak into China, and China finds out, they are morally and legally clear to send me back, whether or not I've had children in China.

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by Juliate »

nailer wrote: post #631
maest wrote: post #580

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"Come right in, the water is fine" said the frog in the pot.

As a legal immigrant, I’m not in the pot because I didn’t enter the country by breaking the law.

I call that a lack of situational awareness…

Re: ICE using Palantir tool that feeds on Medicaid data

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Post by 4gotunameagain »

quacked wrote: post #728
4gotunameagain wrote: post #723

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using the medical need of someone's child in order to track them down and deport them, separating them from their family ? I wish I believed in god, because this shit is beyond evil.

What ICE is doing is naked incompetent fascism and the entity needs to be disbanded with hostility. With that said, no, it's not evil to deport people who entered a country illegally. If I sneak into China, and China finds out, they are morally and legally clear to send me back, whether or not I've had children in China.

I didn't talk about deportation itself. I talked about using a sick child as a vector to identify who to deport.

I am not for unrestrained immigration either. But I would not look for whose child is sick so I can kick them out and leave the sick child alone.

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