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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by f_devd »

simianwords wrote: post #706
latexr wrote: post #702

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Practicality matters. For example, even if you choose not to harm other living things, you cannot avoid stepping on and killing the occasional insect. Theoretically you might be able to do it, but you’ll stop having a life. But you can still do much in line with your beliefs, such as not killing animals for food. If GitHub were the sole game in town, maybe (probably) they wouldn’t have switched. But it isn’t, and the…

Yeah but would you stop using AWS because of the same reason?

I never started for similar reasons

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by notepad0x90 »

prmoustache wrote: post #380
notepad0x90 wrote: post #172

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I don't know about that. in my view, you can call him a murderer, genocidal, sociopath, anything related to his actions. But calling him an epithet, comparing him to an animal is a different thing. Even physical violence is more tolerable. of course people can say whatever they want in private, i'm talking about public discourse. terms like "monkey" and "dog" have been used across cultures to mean really nasty things…

> comparing him to an animal homo sapiens is an animal species.

when humans say "an animal" in the English language, they're referring to "non-human animals". Being called an animal in itself isn't insulting either before you go there. Hardly anyone would be insulted at being called a lion. I think everyone who can read understands exactly the implication being drawn and the dehumanizing being done. Everyone from slave traders, colonialists, nazis,etc.. have used "monkey" to dehumanize people. Same with "dog" , "snake" ,etc.. in different contexts.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by kamranjon »

Gatherer3009 wrote: post #694
aadishv wrote: post #419

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I feel like that's the whole point of the OP. I agree with the overall post but mentioning the ICE relationship seems to detract from the main point. "I hate GitHub because X Y and Z features are bad" is a good reason to move away; "I hate GitHub because one of their thousands of enterprise customers does not align with my political views" is not, in my opinion. For the record, I do not support ICE

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You can support sane border policies without also supporting racial profiling, the militarization of our cities and warrantless searches and detention. These two things don’t have to be mutually exclusive, but arguably much of what ICE has represented recently is what many people would consider to be unconstitutional behavior.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by epolanski »

manwe150 wrote: post #714
strix_varius wrote: post #701

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Totally agree. For me, the hard part has been figuring out the distinction with junior engineers... Is this poorly thought out, inefficient solution that is 3x as long as necessary due to AI, or inexperience?

Does it matter? Either way seems to just reflect badly on the junior, who needs to improve their self-review skills and knowledge

It's not easy to be a junior, and we might be speaking with survivor bias, but most juniors don't end up in solid engineering teams, they are merely developers that are much cheaper and from whom you expect much less, but more often than not they are borderline left learning and figuring out things on their own. They need to luck some senior member that will nurture them and not just give them low quality work (which I admit I have done too when I had myself lots of pressure to deliver my own stuff).

Even in less desperate teams, as productivity grows with AI (mine does, even if I don't author code with it it's tremendous help in just navigating repos and connecting the dots, it saves me so much time...) the reviewing pressure increases too, and with that fatigue.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by flohofwoe »

budududuroiu wrote: post #687

Unsure if this post is being astroturfed or not, but seeing HackerNews root for Microsoft and boo communities that embrace alternatives feels very, anti-hacker in mentality. Sad state of affairs

There was a short time period between when Balmer left and the beginning of Windows desktop enshittification with ads and the (frankly insufferable) AI hype where Microsoft appeared to be on the right path. A saner Microsoft acquiring Github could have actually turned out to be a good thing, but alas...

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by d0throww0 »

Gatherer3009 wrote: post #695
MildlySerious wrote: post #579

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People protesting ICE do not do so out of political concern, but humanitarian concern. This seems like a minor nitpick as those two are intimately tangled up, but it matters to make the distinction. Standing up for others is not petty or self-serving and that's exactly what this sort of conflation can falsely imply.

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Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by lowbloodsugar »

wewewedxfgdf wrote: post #126

Very questionable decision. You're running what aims to be a major programming language - have it where people expect and live with your gripes about the platform. In retail you set up your store in the biggest mall with the most customers walking past - sure you can go set up in some back alley but don't expect customers to come to your store. This remains true even if the mall owns forget to mop the floor. This fee…

Ah yes, I always look for big box Warhammer 40k stores in malls.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by carlmr »

amake wrote: post #571
carlmr wrote: post #502

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I personally don't care too much for hierarchies, so I didn't factor this in. You can be toxic at any level.

> You can be toxic at any level And yet the context is extremely important. > I didn't factor this in That's how you get to false equivalencies.

>That's how you get to false equivalencies.

No, you're just putting something into it which doesn't matter to me. Not a false equivalency.

Re: Migrating the main Zig repository from GitHub to Codeberg

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Post by ameixaseca »

throwaway150 wrote: post #361
ericpruitt wrote: post #166

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Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct > Examples of behavior that contribute to creating a positive environment include: > - Using welcoming and inclusive language. > - Being respectful of differing viewpoints and experiences. > - Showing empathy towards others. > - Showing appreciation for others’ work.

> Amusingly, this post violates Zig's own code of conduct: https://ziglang.org/code-of-conduct Not sure it does. Right there in the same link you posted: This document contains the rules that govern these spaces only: The ziglang organization on Codeberg #zig IRC channel on Libera.chat Zig project development Zulip chat

I believe any reasonable person could understand the previous comment is about the rules themselves, not about a statement in the CoC saying where they apply or not.

Also, the fact that the website is not covered by the CoC makes it worse, since the leadership is excluding themselves from their own engagement rules.

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