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Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by rafram »

amarshall wrote: post #328
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

> SO much padding No idea on macOS, but turn on Reduce Transparency on iOS and there’s tons of padding most of the time, but then sometimes zero padding. And I mean zero. The edges of buttons and text are at the edge of the underlying background. It’s…embarrassing.

I noticed that in iOS Safari. Reduce Transparency brings back the bottom toolbar containing the search/URL field and buttons, but there’s zero padding between the buttons and the edge. Makes it fairly obvious that nobody tested it.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by AlexandrB »

ransom1538 wrote: post #711
dreamcompiler wrote: post #707

Every new version of MacOS exhibits four phenomena: 1. Old bugs are not fixed. 2. New bugs are introduced, and I have to spend hours online figuring out workarounds. 3. Old features I depended on are removed, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to replace them. 4. New features I don't need are added and they get in my way, and I have to spend hours online figuring out how to disable them. My workflow pr…

Nothing on this list compares to removing an ESC key. That was apple starting to leave reality. I had to buy used laptops for that time period.

Definitely the worst era of Mac laptop hardware that I lived through. I still have a work-provided 2019 MBP and the keyboard is shot (even though I never use it because it's docked to a monitor + keyboard 99.9% of the time), while the Touch Bar flickers with random white rectangles regularly while the machine is asleep. I personally kept using a 2015 MBP until last year for just this reason.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dvrj101 »

OGEnthusiast wrote: post #160

The reason Liquid Glass on macOS specifically is getting so much blowback is that it isn't just updating the translucency effect with the new glass refraction effect - they've also increased the border radius of most windows, increased paddings in toolbars, sidebars, etc. and overall made the UI much less information-dense, which is wild for a desktop OS. If they had just changed the translucency effect, I think this…

> overall made the UI much less information-dense

is this an attempt make, users buy bigger screen models ?

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by coldpie »

smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

> The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release.

I feel like if you replaced all of the paper in a company's printers with transparency sheets you'd be fired because that's obviously a stupid idea that would never work. But then I guess that's why I'm not a software UI designer.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by dsego »

major505 wrote: post #671

To be honest I just installed last night and the only significant change I notice are the round corners. And now the email app have a progress indicator. Other than that is just windows vista visuals, but not as shit as windows vista.

But it's bad, because the new rounded style with floating buttons doesn't match the traditional UI toolkit and it shows. They've messed up the whole layout where windows have a title bar and then a sidebar, etc. Now the side rail is on top, and all the toolbar buttons float, but you're still supposed to know you can drag on the title bar, but there are no visual signifiers (affordances). It's harder to visually parse the mess, there is no visual hierarchy and everything is floating and has a drop shadow now. And then there is the double border on the left side, where for some reason the sider rail also needs to be floating, which just takes up more space. And it's just for visuals, some apps show content under it (like the wallpaper), while finder for example doesn't, so it's really inconsistent and means nothing.

I took screen shots of a few inconsistencies that bother me, things getting cut off or looking visually messy. The most egregious is the music app showing a dinky progress bar that's almost impossible to mouse over and when you do it blurs everything so you don't see the song name. There was real estate for that whole currently playing section to be bigger so you can start dragging that slider immediately without hovering over it first.

https://imgur.com/a/1PsFAQi

and a few more I forgot

https://imgur.com/a/1CWFqRP

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by neobrain »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #461
treesknees wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not run it natively with Asahi Linux?

Is Asahi installed side by side on a mac? You pick it at boot? And how “install and just use” it is?

> Is Asahi installed side by side on a mac?

Yes, the installer automatically (and reliably) resizes partitions for you. A minimum of about 70 GB for macOS is needed (anything lower is still possible but unsupported).

> You pick it at boot?

There's a default choice that will boot.

> And how “install and just use” it is?

Probably one of the smoothest Linux installs I've had in 10 years or so, since you just run the installer from macOS instead of flashing ISO files to an USB drive.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by gizajob »

etempleton wrote: post #150
smcleod wrote: post #95

I've been running it since the RC and am currently in the process of uninstalling it. The new UI is so incredibly ugly I honestly cannot understand how they thought it was acceptable to even released as a beta let alone an RC and now release. There's SO much padding and wasted screen real estate, disjointed looking floating inner panels, window corners that are so rounded you see gaps in full screen apps, inconsisten…

I have been running the beta from the beginning and they have improved quite a bit, but I am actually shocked they didn't delay Mac OS 26, because the design is so rough around the edges. Some of the larger aesthetic changes, such as the menu bar and the dock look good, but there is so much more that looks objectively awful. 1. the way window UI elements float in bubbles on the top over a white background is horrible…

I cannot believe the current state of affairs where me doing a Spotlight search for "drivers license" when I'm looking for a photograph of my drivers license to upload, that instead of finding it I'm now presented with a list of links to listen to, watch, or find out about the song Drivers License by Olivia Rodrigo. Why? Why!? Who is this helping? I'm fine with telling my computer that I am 42 years old and male and curmudgeonly and have been using a Mac for a good 25 years now and know how to find songs by Olivia Rodrigo online if I really need them.

And okay spotlight can help fill in the blanks on dictionary searches and wikipedia info I GET IT... but my time and my mind are precious to me – if you're forcing me to use Spotlight or making it the way of searching my computer, please PLEASE do not fill my eyes and head with this time-wasting garbage.

And I have a MacBook Pro M3 – it has a camera notch hidden in the black menu bar, the text of which now disappears if my mouse isn't up there, thus giving the appearance that my screen shrinks rather than giving me extra viewing real estate. The text is not some kind of distraction when it's above a tab bar filled with a multitude of jumbled icons and an address bar with text on it. But OH! sweeping left now reveals the camera notch in the middle of a WHITE menu bar.

Just... Apple... for f*cks sake. I'm paying you. Please employ some people with aesthetic taste and judgement rather than the current cohort of yes-people and logistics wizards. Time for Tim Cook to go. The problem is at the top.

Re: macOS Tahoe

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Post by neobrain »

truncate wrote: post #559
treesknees wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why not run it natively with Asahi Linux?

IIRC, there bunch of random things that still don't work -- no USB-C output, webcam, audio and if I've to guess suspend/resume is probably not rock solid either. The only benefit is that you get to use Linux, but then you may lose on actually getting work done without worrying about these issues. The new UI is inferior, but can still get things done.

This information is very dated. Webcam/audio work fine nowadays, and suspend/resume have never had issues that I recall. IME the feature support page is very accurate (no hidden gotchas like "technically it works but it breaks after sleep").

USB-C output is indeed not working but actively making progress (so actively that some of the related patches have been sent to the kernel mailing list and merged this very week).

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