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Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

Very zero-sum outlook on things which is factually untrue much of the time. When you invest money in something productive that value doesn't get automatically destroyed. The size of the pie isn't fixed.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#722
post #650
post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>wars which break out because of scarcity issues That doesn't seem to be much of a thing these days. If you look at Russia/Ukraine or China/Taiwan there's not much scarcity. It's more bullying dictator wants to control the neighbours issues.

There's a terrifying amount of food insecurity and poverty in Russia - https://www.globalhungerindex.org/russia.html - https://databankfiles.worldbank.org/public/ddpext_download/p...

Have you tried opening the links? They show Russia at developed country level in terms of food insecurity (score <5, they don't differentiate at those levels; this is a level mostly shown for EU countries); and a percentage of population below the international poverty line of 0.0% (vs, as an example, 1.8 % in Romania). This isn't great — being in the poverty briefs at all is not indicative of prosperity — but your terrification should probably come from elsewhere.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#723
post #622
post #589

This is so much money with which we could actually solve problems in the world. maybe even stop wars which break out because of scarcity issues. maybe i am getting to old or to friendly to humans, but it's staggering to me how the priorities are for such things.

For less than this same price tag, we could’ve eliminated student loan debt for ~20 million Americans. It would in turn open a myriad number of opportunities, like owning a home and/or feeling more comfortable starting a family. It would stimulate the economy in predictable ways. Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which ba…

> Instead we gave a small number of people all of this money for a moonshot in a state where they squabble over who’s allowed to use which bathroom and if I need an abortion I might die.

AFAICT from this article and others on the same subject, the 500 billion number does not appear to be public money. It sounds like it's 100 billion of private investment (probably mostly from Son), and FTA,

> could reach five times that sum

(5x 100 billion === 500 billion, the # everyone seems to be quoting)

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#724
post #608

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>wars which break out because of scarcity issues That doesn't seem to be much of a thing these days. If you look at Russia/Ukraine or China/Taiwan there's not much scarcity. It's more bullying dictator wants to control the neighbours issues.

At any given time approximately 1 in 10 humans are facing starvation or severe food insecurity.

I don't doubt that, but it's harder to connect that fact to a specific international conflict.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

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Just Ellison alone brings unwelcome feeling of having Oracle craziness forced down our collective throats, but I share your concern about the unholy alliance generated in front of us.

My immediate reaction to the announcement was one of these is not like the others. OpenAI, a couple of big investment funds, Microsoft, Nvidia, and...............Oracle?

Oracle makes perfect sense in that they are 1) a massive datacenter company, and 2) sell a variety of saas products to enterprises, which is a major target market for AI.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#726
post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

Ellison should be nowhere near this:

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip...

The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#728
I really don't understand the national security argument. If you really do fear some fundamental breakthrough in AI from China, what's cheaper, $500 billion to rush to get there first, or spending a few billion (and likely much less) in basic research in physics, materials science, and electronics, mixed with a little bit of espionage, mixed with improving the electric grid and eliminating (or greatly reducing) fossil fuels?

Ultimately, the breakthrough in AI is going to either come from eliminating bottlenecks in computing such that we can simulate many more neurons much more cheaply (in other words, 2025-level technology scaled up is not going to really be necessary or sufficient), or some fundamental research discovery such as a new transformer paradigm. In any case, it feels like these are theoretical discoveries that, whoever makes them first, the other "side" can trivially steal or absorb the information.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#729
post #558

Apart from my general queasiness about the whole AGI scaling business and the power concentration that comes with it, these are the exact four people/entities that I would not want to be at the tip of said power concentration.

Ellison should be nowhere near this: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2024/09/omnip... The man has the moral system of a private prison and the money to build one.

> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on,"

Let's be honest. He isn't wrong. I'd rather live in a society with zero crime than what we have now.

Re: Stargate Project: SoftBank, OpenAI, Oracle, MGX to build data centers

#730

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would love for Oracle to use AI to put their entire legal department out of work, though.

So you want them to be infinitely more litigious? A serious question though, what does happen when AIs are filing lawsuits autonomously on behalf of the powerful, the courts clearly won't be able to cope unless you have AI powered courts too? None of how these monumental changes will work has been thought through at all, let's hope AI is smart enough to tell us what to do...

> A serious question though, what does happen when AIs are filing lawsuits autonomously on behalf of the powerful

It won't just be at the behalf of the powerful.

If lawyers are able to file 10x as many lawsuits per hour, the cost of filing a lawsuit is going to go down dramatically, and that's assuming a maximally-unfriendly regulatory environment where you still officially need a human lawyer in the loop.

This will enable people to e.g. use letters signed by an attorney at law, or even small claims court, as their customer support hotline, because that actually produces results in today.

Nobody is prepared for that. Not the companies, not the powerful, not the courts, nobody.

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