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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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From a user perspective it's 100% clear. If the system doesn't say "I'm gonna phone a friend to get an answer for this", it's going to stay either 100% local or at worst 100% within Apple Intelligence, which is audited to be completely private. So if you're asking for a recipe for banana bread, going to ChatGPT is fine. Sending more personal information might not be.

Still involves friction. A more "seamless" way for Apple to do this would've been to license GPT-4's weights from OpenAI and run it on Apple Intelligence servers.

but that restricts it to just openai then.

I want to use perplexity from siri too!

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

Have to agree, apple seems to put a really strong emphasis above all else on your shit is your shit and we don't want to see it.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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post #334

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> I always saw this level of personal intelligence to come about at some point, but I didn’t expect Apple to hit it out of the park so strongly. Benefit of drawing people into their ecosystem. It's the benefit of how Apple does product ownership. In contrast to Google and Microsoft. I hadn't considered it, but AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't. Nobody…

"AI convergence is going to lay bare organizational deficiencies in a way previous revolutions didn't`' Your quote really hit me. I trust Apple to respect my privacy when doing AI, but the thought of Microsoft or Google slurping up all my data to do remote-server AI is abhorrent. I can't see how Microsoft or Google can undo the last 10 years to fix this.

For what it's worth, those platform investments are the difference between Apple being applauded for this, and Microsoft being pilloried for Recall's deficiencies.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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How do we sign up to be an independent expert? We need about 50,000 eyeballs on this at all times.

How many independent eyeballs are on Gemini's servers or OpenAI's?

They're not making the privacy claim

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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I feel like this is actually the thing you want when you say "less things cluttering my screen". Siri can now be that assistant, that summarises or does things, that would instead make you go through various screens or apps. Feels like it rescues clutter, not increases it to me imo

I simply cannot agree, but again, it's a personal thing. I never ever find voice interfaces useful though... Aside: When the presenter showed the demo of her asking Siri to figure out the airport arrival time and then gloat it "would have taken minutes" to do on her own... I sat there and just felt so so strongly that I don't want to optimize out every possible opportunity to think or work out a problem in my life fo…

> I don't want to optimize out every possible opportunity to think or work out a problem in my life for the sake of "keeping on top of my inbox"

Completely agree. My first thought on seeing this stuff is that it suggests we, as an industry, have failed to create software that fulfils users’ needs, given we’re effectively talking about using another computer to automate using our computers.

My second thought is that it’s only a matter of time before AI starts pushing profitable interests just like seemingly all other software does. How long before you ask some AI tool how to achieve something and it starts pitching you on CloudService+ for only 4.99 per month?

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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It's the potential for the model. Everyone else is hoovering the internet to model everything and Apple is sticking with their privacy message and saying 'how can I model your stuff to help you.' That's tangibly different.

I beg to differ. Example that should be super trivial: try to setup a sync of photos taken on your Iphone to a laptop (Mac or Windows or Linux) without going through Apple's cloud or any other cloud? With an Android phone and Windows laptop (for example) you simply install the Syncthing app on both and you're done. My point is not "Apple is worse", instead I'm just trying to point out that Apple definitely seems eage…

> Example that should be super trivial: try to setup a sync of photos taken on your Iphone to a laptop (Mac or Windows or Linux) without going through Apple's cloud or any other cloud?

The first hit on Google makes it look trivial with iPhone too?

https://support.apple.com/guide/devices-windows/sync-photos-...

> With an Android phone and Windows laptop (for example) you simply install the Syncthing app on both and you're done.

And with iPhone you just install the "Apple Devices" app: https://apps.microsoft.com/detail/9np83lwlpz9k

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Their demos looked like how I imagined AI before ChatGPT ever existed. It was a personalized, context aware, deeply integrated way of interacting with your whole system. I really enjoyed the explanation for how they planned on tackling server-enabled AI tasks while making the best possible effort to keep your requests private. Auditable server software that runs on Apple hardware is probably as good as you can get fo…

I'm just unhappy that this will mostly end up to make the moat larger and the platform lock-in more painful either way. iPhones have been going up in price, serious compute once you're deep in this will be simply extortion, as leaving the apple universe is going to be nigh impossible. Also no competitor is going to be as good at integrating everything, as none of those have as integrated systems.

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Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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This ramping up AI war will leave no prisoners. I am not an Apple customer in any way, I am in Google's ecosystem, but I feel that I need to make an exit, at least some essentials, preferably this year. My e-mail, my documents, my photos, my browsing, my movement. The first step for me was setting up Syncthing and it was much smoother than I initially thought. Many steps to go.

For things that don’t leave your system it’s ok, but the moment you send something to others it will go into the systems that you try to avoid anyway.

Mostly I see no point in things like email self hosting if half my contacts are on Gmail and the other half on Microsoft.

My suggestion (as someone that tried to escape for some time) is to build a private system for yourself (using private OS and networks) and use a common system to interface with everyone else.

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

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Apple is again going where Google (the world's largest ad company) cannot follow: 100% user privacy. They really hammered in the fact that every bit is going to be either fully local or publicly auditable to be private. There's no way Google can follow, they need the data for their ad modeling. Even if they anonymise it, they still want it.

They literally announced their partnership with OpenAI today, and I've seen no sign of this data being "publicly auditable" - can you share this with me?

WTF are you talking about, the guy literally said that to connect to Apple Intelligence servers the client side verifies a publically registered audit trail for the server. He then followed up saying no data on chatgpt will keep session information regarding who the data came from.

Apples big thing is privacy, i doubt they'd randomly lie about that

Re: Apple Intelligence for iPhone, iPad, and Mac

#730

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Apple is again going where Google (the world's largest ad company) cannot follow: 100% user privacy. They really hammered in the fact that every bit is going to be either fully local or publicly auditable to be private. There's no way Google can follow, they need the data for their ad modeling. Even if they anonymise it, they still want it.

They literally announced their partnership with OpenAI today, and I've seen no sign of this data being "publicly auditable" - can you share this with me?

> I've seen no sign of this data being "publicly auditable" - can you share this with me?

They announced it in the same keynote where they announced the partnership with OpenAI (and stated that sharing your data with OpenAI would be opt-in, not opt-out).

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