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Doesn’t it know where it is ? This goes to the optimistic/ exagerated calculation
It knows where it is. It can’t very well know which direction you want to go if you don’t tell it, can it.
Related to my other comment, it may be more difficult if it’s relying on weather station data rather than local car sensors though.
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It's not erring on the side of the absolute best state. The EPA-rated miles represent a standardized mix of highway and city miles. The best state would be over 600 miles [1]. It's erring on the side of consistency, as it's also representing the battery's state of charge. It would only serve to confuse users to try and guess whether the current trip is a highway or city drive, will end in the next minute or two hours…
Look I don't really care about Teslas so I don't really have any idea, but the article says that Tesla does NOT use the standardized EPA-mix, but instead does their own testing and gets those tests EPA approved. The EPA spokesperson said they were following the rules, but only technically . Do you have alternate information showing that it actually is the standardized mix to produce the estimate?
Highway 70mph - https://insideevs.com/reviews/443791/ev-range-test-results/ Highway 75mph - https://www.caranddriver.com/shopping-advice/a32603216/ev-ra... Mix - https://www.edmunds.com/car-news/electric-car-range-and-cons...
It's a shame too because Tesla are towards the top of the the real world range pack, so they don't really have to lie.. but it's like a compulsion for some people.
What is mind boggling and hilarious is that there's a Porsche rated EPA 225mi and a Tesla rated EPA 348mi and they both end up achieving 280mi.
Notably the Model 3/Y seem to have a wider EPA-to-reality delta than the Model S in the 75mph test. This seems to align with my 4 year ownership experience. Tesla Model 3 LR rated 310mi but only hits 200mi with C&D. It's interesting how much the 3/Y range seems to drop from 70 to 75mph.
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Chauffeurs tend to drive vehicles that are more comfortable than the back seat of a Tesla. Sitting in the back seat of any non-luxury sedan sucks.
Tesla claims to be a luxury car. Plenty of Luxury sedans meanwhile have terrible back seats that basically cannot be used, because it's a luxury car, not a family car.
Do they?
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I think the 'fix' was mostly checking that the car was working as designed, then calling people like this hn commenter[1], and educating them that slow gentle driving is how to get the estimated range, not aggressively braking and driving 90 mph with the AC on max, windows down, and the trunk loaded with 2000 lbs of junk. [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36893587
The point is that "as designed" was really "designed to mislead" aka "lying", and they got caught red-handed.
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No. Sorry. Making the claim that most tesla owners do X is in my opinion horseshit. Tesla should be ashamed of themselves and should be sued into oblivion for false advertising. This is not a +/- 5%. This is a massive lie and a coverup.
Those seem orthogonal, and not related. I assert that yes, most Tesla owners just deal with it. But yes, it's unacceptable and Tesla should be held to account for it. Both can be true.
I have an S so I'm biased but this feels like a hit piece. Range is of course always going to be an estimate. Marketing is always going to be a battle of who has the bigger number. Having people schedule an appointment to fix their "broken" cars that can only go 470 instead of 500km is of course going to be a waste of time and money. I'm part of a facebook group for tesla owners and literally every day this week ther…
I've owned EVs from different brands, including Tesla. In my experience so far, only Tesla uses the naive and wildly optimistic EPA number for the range display. My wife drives a Bolt and it uses your moving average to calculate the range estimate, and it's pretty much dead-on accurate. Tesla -could- do it but chooses not to. Put it in trip mode and it's pretty close to dead-on. Look at the consumption page and it's…
I have a model Y. I hate almost everything about it. But most germane, The "Battery meter" at the top of the display is total bunk. That's got to be "rosy" numbers. It'll display a the battery in miles, but it's at least 25% inflated. However if you punch in a destination, you'll get exact numbers, and those are insanely reliable. It claims (and I don't believe any claims coming from tesla) that it'll factor wind, el…
I actually got stranded once for some hours because of the mileage indicator! Was driving back from a campsite that I turned out to not have charging compatibility with, but thought I had plenty of margin to get to the nearest charger. As I drove through the mountains however, I began noticing that a.) my battery was depleting much faster than expected and b.) I wasn’t seeing any houses and very few motorists. I watc…
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Consumer Reports and others have found that most of the "issues" reported with EVs in these rankings are software glitches , often solvable with a reboot or an over-the-air software update: https://www.greencars.com/expert-insights/are-electric-cars-... Those findings are consistent with my experience.
“The organization also found that Tesla, which is often lauded for its sophisticated technology, was not a paragon of reliability, ranking dead-last among brands”