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More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by Insanity »

nopenopenopeno wrote: post #217
Insanity wrote: post #167

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Tangentially, I recently moved to Canada and was surprised by the lack of quality healthcare.. Literally could not believe some walk ins have paper files and use fax, plus finding a GP apparently is a months long quest. Visiting a specialist took ages, and I wouldn’t say it was the best / most modern infrastructure there either. (And I went in downtown Toronto, must be so much worse for more remote places I guess). I…

American doctors all use fax machines and “heavy paper files” to transmit referrals. Who cares? An enormous amount of working Americans have no healthcare at all. Would you prefer that?

So my viewpoint is EU, not America..

In my home country, _most_ of the files are electronic (EMRAM stage 6 for the main hospital network, covering most of the country https://www.himss.org/what-we-do-solutions/digital-health-tr...).

I can see any specialist (almost any GP) and they'll get limited time access to my entire patient history. I don't have to worry of getting a second opinion from someone who "doesn't have my history".

Plus, I get insight into this data myself through an app (or web platform), where I can view the scans and take them to someone outside of the network if I want to.

Pharmacies will also start sharing data, so a GP can enter the data in a system which any Pharmacy can then enter (with your electronic ID), so no need for paper subscriptions either.

It just gives me peace of mind. :-)

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by TimTheTinker »

abrahamepton wrote: post #656
TimTheTinker wrote: post #376

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> I know someone who almost quit a great job because they were mad about a vaccine mandate from their employer. [...] That is what failing the marshmallow test looks like. Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars (they could be assigned to work as medics in Army…

> Or perhaps it's a matter of personal principle. Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US ... to the point that conscientious objectors wouldn't be forced to fight in wars It's a great argument, so long as "rejecting a vaccine during a pandemic" meets the same moral tests as "opposing war". In fact it does not, and so this "personal principle" is quite silly and actively harmful. The gover…

> It's a great argument, so long as "rejecting a vaccine during a pandemic" meets the same moral tests as "opposing war". In fact it does not

You say this, but you don't name any criteria by which this judgment should be made.

Could you elaborate?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by yazaddaruvala »

iqanq wrote: post #700
01100011 wrote: post #639

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My wife is trying to become a nurse. Thanks to COVID screwing up her school schedule she's at least a year behind. She's currently working as a residential assistant at rather nice elderly care facility where they are short staffed. She makes about what she would make at a fast food restaurant despite working in a semi-skilled position(requires CNA credentials) and working with COVID positive residents. They are just…

Then salaries need to increase.

I agree they should increase, but who would be paying for the increase?

The elderly who are already retied and likely have a fixed monthly expenditure?

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by zimzam »

hitpointdrew wrote: post #291
nwiswell wrote: post #207

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Some of your points have validity, but three are borderline dangerous misinformation: - The majority of those who died WITH THE VACCINE had 4+ co-morbidities. The virus is still very dangerous to the unvaccinated - The vaccine does indeed reduce your propensity to spread the virus, although it doesn't eliminate the risk. - The reason for lockdowns is not to make the virus "go away". It is to control the impact on the…

The only miss information here is your comment. >the virus is still very dangerous to the unvaccinated According to gallup (which I hope we can agree is not some sort of alt-right outlet) the risk of an unvaccinated person needing to be hospitalized if they get covid is 0.89%. https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/354938/adults-estimat... That is insanely low. That is just the risk of hospitalization, the % of those…

40 hospitals in NY state we’re just forced to halt elective surgeries:

https://abc7ny.com/new-york-hospitals-stop-elective-surgerie...

That’s overrun in my book.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by x86_64Ubuntu »

adventured wrote: post #663
Nbox9 wrote: post #605

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> Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US […] it has become politically incorrect to have a personal principle or conviction that contradicts the approved viewpoint, or otherwise goes against the grain. I think you might have a grandiose mental image of America’s past. The 1798 Sedition Act ‘made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or its…

The 1798 Sedition Act - during the second Presidency in the history of the country - expired in 1801. Which does a better job of debasing the point you're trying to make than supporting it. It was less than a blip. > I think you might have a grandiose mental image of America’s past. And your attempt to use the historically trivial 1798 Sedition Act in the manner that you did indicates you may have the opposite and mi…

You've dismissed only one point that parent commenter made. And if the country held personal conviction to such a high esteem, 1798 Sedition Act as well as the other things parent commenter mentioned should have never happened. But we know they did.

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by adlorger »

sys_64738 wrote: post #653
mizzack wrote: post #246

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You've got your anecdotes, and I've got mine. My 3 young kids all caught omicron last week. Each were lethargic for a day, had a minor sore throat, and were back to normal in a day or two. The flu last month was way scarier with high fevers. There's a lot of reason to be optimistic about omicron.

What about "long COVID"? There are some studies suggesting sudden spikes in kids becoming diabetic after having COVID. These long term health impacts will take years to be known and fully understood. Getting COVID is to be avoided at all costs, IMO.

my read of the diabetes tie is that it is unlikely that covid causes diabetes but rather that the causality could be both ways, with obesity or other medical confounders making Covid experiences more severe.

this doesn't diminish the importance of the tie, but rather should just reveal that what we've always known about covid remains true - its a serious disease and having other underlying medical issues makes it significantly worse.

i would bet against any conclusion however that having covid makes kids more likely to develop diabetes.

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Post by hooande »

recursive wrote: post #219
snowwrestler wrote: post #133

I feel like COVID has become like a marshmallow test for adults, where those who can manage their emotions and make rational decisions can set themselves up for greater long-term rewards. It looked for a while there like this could be a thing that gets “done”—that we would get a good vaccine into enough people, then incidence would decline so far it just goes away. That didn’t happen. We’re stuck with it for a forese…

I think the marshmallow test is pretty flawed itself. But maybe the marshmallow test is actually a good analogy. I suspect many of the test "failures" were caused because the test subject (kid) didn't trust the authority figure (test administrator). When you can see a marshmallow with your own eyes, it's more believable. I think it's quite reasonable to factor in some probability that an untrusted stranger would "alt…

This is the test. People can talk themselves out of any positive thing based on the reasoning of "I don't trust authority". but those who are considered very successful in any profession have to learn to 1) delay gratification 2) place trust in the right people

Blind mistrust in authority is as detrimental to long term outcomes as not being able to delay gratification

Re: More Americans are saying they’re ‘vaxxed and done’

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Post by valachio »

celtain wrote: post #181
Mikeb85 wrote: post #66

I'm vaxxed and mostly done. Already contracted Covid, have 2 vaccines, I'm down to get a booster every year or two, at my own leisure. Having vaccines mandated every 6 months is not something I'm OK with and to be honest, it feels a lot like the government trying to deflect from the fact healthcare isn't OK (at least in my home country, Canada). There's always been risks to life and this feels more like governments a…

Why is there much difference between getting a booster every 6 months rather than every 12-24 months? Compared to lockdowns or even just mask mandates, both booster schedules seem like a pretty minor inconvenience given the pandemic-halting benefits.

Getting a booster every 6 months vs every 24 months is a 4x difference in the number of boosters you have to take. That's 4x the potential complications (mistakes can happen in science, e.g. thalidomide) and 4x the cost.

And no boosters are not free. I can't wrap my head around how many people believe that boosters are free. No they are not free. If you are not paying for it directly, the government is paying for it with taxpayer money. And tax money doesn't fall from the sky. It comes out of your wallet.

Or the government can print the money and risk higher inflation, which is just an indirect tax on your money.

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Post by MiroF »

adventured wrote: post #663
Nbox9 wrote: post #605

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Personal conscience and conviction used to be held sacred in the US […] it has become politically incorrect to have a personal principle or conviction that contradicts the approved viewpoint, or otherwise goes against the grain. I think you might have a grandiose mental image of America’s past. The 1798 Sedition Act ‘made it a crime to publish "false, scandalous, and malicious writing" against the government or its…

The 1798 Sedition Act - during the second Presidency in the history of the country - expired in 1801. Which does a better job of debasing the point you're trying to make than supporting it. It was less than a blip. > I think you might have a grandiose mental image of America’s past. And your attempt to use the historically trivial 1798 Sedition Act in the manner that you did indicates you may have the opposite and mi…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist_Control_Act_of_1954

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smith_Act

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sedition_Act_of_1918

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schenck_v._United_States

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abrams_v._United_States

etc etc

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