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YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Re: YouTube will now show ads on all videos even if creators don’t want them

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Post by neurostimulant »

foxhop wrote: post #244

I'm pissed, I knew this was coming. Google and "Alphabet" are bastards. Will this be my last video hosted on YouTube? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUYrN0o-cfk | Hardneck Garlic Planted For High Yield. YouTube doesn't give me any network effect anyways (all my views are from external sources), I was just trying to do good in the world. What tech should I look at for self hosted streaming on Digital Ocean spaces and…

For the server itself, a lot of people use providers with cheap bandwidth like OVH and Hetzner. Digital ocean is great but it's still bill by your bandwidth usage, probably not ideal to host video contents that can rack up a lot of bandwidth usage.

As for the application itself, just use ffmpeg to convert hls/dash and just dump it behind nginx, no need for fancy stuff imo.

Cloudflare stream is also a relatively cheap alternative to host your video if you do a lot of video embedding on your site. I heard that some school networks block it, but other than that it's been working great and I've been using for one of my client to host their private lecture videos.

Vimeo is also a great alternative and relatively cheap too. My only gripes is it's blocked in certain countries, but otherwise it's fine if you don't care to serve visitors from those countries.

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Post by toper-centage »

vdfs wrote: post #350
testcase_delta wrote: post #334

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YouTube premium is great, I'm surprised it's not more popular. I'd cut my Spotify subscription way before YouTube, but that's not what I typically hear from my friends. Spotify = Streaming music $12/month YouTube = Streaming music + learned SolidWorks + learned Blender + learning Spanish + general entertainment of all sorts... $12/month. YouTube is incredible.

It's not popular here because "YouTube Premium is not available in your country"

Also, I'd rather not feed the monopoly even more.

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Post by toper-centage »

TACIXAT wrote: post #405
mplewis wrote: post #363

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YouTube Music is a joke.

Really? I get my best music recommendations from normal YouTube. I figured their music service would be solid. Apple Music which I primarily use can’t find me new artists that I like, and when I had Spotify it was awful.

Really? I get the total opossite. Spotify keeps letting me find amazing bands with just 2 years if learning my taste. Youtube keeps telling me I want to watch the same music videos over and over.

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Post by toper-centage »

astrobe_ wrote: post #369
OzzyB wrote: post #88

It's time to coin a new term, "Ad Creep" - One Ad per video that the creator chooses to elect - Each Ad can be skipped after 5 seconds - Two Ads now but the first can still be skipped the second cannot - The first Ad's skip time increased from 5 seconds to 6 seconds - Videos get Ads regardless of creator consent I'm noticing a trend, and it sucks for those that like to use YouTube in app form since you're kind of stu…

... And an aphorism: "Any social platform that becomes as popular as TV also becomes as trash as TV".

Remember when we used to think YouTube was going to replace TV? Well... I guess we were spot on.

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Post by watwut »

alisonkisk wrote: post #651
watwut wrote: post #383

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I don't know about hundreda of video hosting sites. I know aboit two: youtube and twitch. I tried something else maybe twice. I am pretty representative for typical user. Typical user turns on yoitube and only things in there exists.

Typical users aren't relevant here. We're talking about Patreon supporters, people who gave money to a single creator and want an ad free video. They can click a link to vimeo.

Patreon supportes dont come from nowhere. They come from watching your videos and hearing "support me on patreon" one too many times.

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Post by neurostimulant »

foxhop wrote: post #292
izacus wrote: post #269

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> I'm pissed, I knew this was coming. Google and "Alphabet" are bastards. Yeah, how dare they charge for storage, CPU encoding and bandwidth costs! Anyway, you can deploy nginx with RTMP module on any server and host videos yourself. We did this for many video providers (which then moved on to YT because it turns out hosting costs money), but it's not that hard.

They are not charging me for storage, they are putting ads on my videos with no way to opt-out. Ads of the like that I have _NO_ desire to be affiliated with, ads for pollutants like "weed killers" and "insecticides". I don't care if they use fancy algorithms for transcoding (CPU cycles) or bandwidth costs, or storage, that was the deal. I ship to them and they host it without ads. I did this for the "promise" of net…

You can use ffmpeg to convert your video to HLS/Dash format and host it behind your run-of-the-mill nginx webserver as static contents. Then on your webpages, just use hls.js [0] to embed those uploaded videos in a webpages. hls.js will handle adaptive bitrate automatically, so the videos should load pretty fast for your visitor, though probably not as fast as youtube since they have edge servers everywhere, but still a lot faster than just hosting an .mp4 file and load it via tag.

You don't need fancy plugins or webservers just to serve adaptive bitrate anymore these days as HLS/Dash provides many benefits of RTMP without the complexity cost. You only need to worry about bandwidth / cdn cost, and the cheapest bandwidth can be bought via hosting providers like hetzner and ovh.

[0] https://github.com/video-dev/hls.js/

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Post by thu2111 »

Lambdanaut wrote: post #572
ApolloFortyNine wrote: post #554

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>So in that respect, it's kind of a shitty move by Google. 12 years of free video hosting with no ads and a platform for people to discover your videos is quite the deal. They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. If you thought you could eat a free lunch…

> They always had to add ads at some point, hosting video, and the bandwidth and transcoding that goes with it, is incredibly expensive, not to mention the dev time going into creating such a massive platform. This isn't about covering expenses that they couldn't afford otherwise. This is about making enormously rich people even richer.

Are you sure? Google has been on a kick for some time now to try and ensure each product area is independently profitable. Up until a few years ago the status quo was that search/content ads made all the money, and every other product burned it in a giant furnace of endless massive losses. Seems they're now trying to get a grip on that as they're realising even search ads can't keep growing revenue forever.

It's entirely possible that YouTube has never been profitable. The costs involved with it are stupendous. It's far more than just bandwidth. Storage and CPU for transcoding, the enormous databases required for Content ID, recommendations, comments and anti-spam, all the private videos you can't even see at all, etc. Then there's software development costs to manage the bandwidth and operations.

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Post by npteljes »

paulryanrogers wrote: post #238
MereInterest wrote: post #235

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If you want that corner to be expanded to the full internet, install ublock origin.

YT Premium still supports creators while Ublock Origin denies creators one of the easiest ways to be compensated for their work. That's a pretty big difference.

Nothing stops you from doing both, in fact, I think that it's the best of both worlds.

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Post by mac01021 »

sideshowb wrote: post #603
mac01021 wrote: post #487

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I switched to Fastmail 2 months ago. It's been painless so far.

How does their search and spam filter compare to gmail?

It's hard to judge based on two months of use.

With GMail I got no spam in my inbox ever (but still lots of junk email from merchants and political campaigns).

With FastMail, I'm getting maybe 1 spam per week that doesn't get filtered properly. (And it's always from the same domain so far so at some point I'll set up a rule.

For search - I am not a power user and only search plain strings without ever clicking on "advanced" to filter on specific attributes. But every search I've run in FM has so far returned what I was looking for.

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Post by pcthrowaway »

Ekaros wrote: post #613
jrootabega wrote: post #24

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That's probably the one service that will always be "free" since it's such a gold mine of your personal info

I wouldn't be entirely sure about gmail... But search is the thing that is essentially free advertising space for them. So it's likely to stay free...

Neither of these are free services. You are the product
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