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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by scrozart »

Mvandenbergh wrote: post #91

It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

> Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time.

A difficult path, maybe, but also an avenue for setting precedent to go after the press.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by rurban »

techntoke wrote: post #453
Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> or have his ashes thrown into the sea the same way as they did with Osama bin Laden. The UK won't extradite if the death penality is on the cards. http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/41/section/94

This is ridiculous. No one is talking about death penalty except people trying to inflame the situation.

There are many well known US members of congress and senate who promised to bring him to death. That was one of Assange lawyers arguments, until they all started dying suddenly.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by wybiral »

Mvandenbergh wrote: post #91

It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

It's not directly about leaking or espionage though. The indictment [1] says that he conspired to help crack passwords from classified government databases.

[1] https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481...

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by qnsi »

ionised wrote: post #566
threeseed wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assange is anything but a uniform thorn. He has continually supported and looked out for Russian interests. If he wasn't biased there would be a lot more public support for him.

Stop spreading lies. Wikileaks has leaked plenty of shit on Russia too.

https://www.vox.com/world/2017/1/6/14179240/wikileaks-russia...

What would you say about this article? I have Little knowledge about Assange

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by GVIrish »

alex_young wrote: post #489
techntoke wrote: post #453

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is ridiculous. No one is talking about death penalty except people trying to inflame the situation.

Tell that to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. We've executed for sharing secret documents before, and may again.

The Rosenbergs were executed for treason, not just sharing some secret documents. They actively spied for an adversary of the United States, recruited other spies, and stole some of the United States' most powerful secrets.

The gravity of what Assange and Manning did doesn't compare to what the Rosenbergs did, which is why Manning didn't get a life sentence or death penalty, and why Assange won't either. Only way Assange ends up on the precipice of capital punishment is if he did far, far worse things than what has been revealed so far.

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Post by pdabbadabba »

rofo1 wrote: post #677
pdabbadabba wrote: post #651

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> We aren't discussing what Wikileaks leaked anymore. We are discussing Julian Assange's cats. See how they shifted our attention? That's the power of a propaganda - eventually, it will work. They just have to keep at it, and they did. This is only true, if at all, today, on this forum. The mainstream press has been talking about Hillary's emails (and how they were obtained, and other fallout) for literally years now…

This is absolutely true since the minute they release the Helicopter video (aka. Collateral Murder). You haven't been paying attention. Can't you see that we delve into insane details (cats, condoms, urine, smells), yet ignore prosecution for major things uncovered? By the way, the only one prosecuted for that whole accident was Bradley Manning. Even though the video clearly shows civilians being killed unprovoked an…

OK. But even if that's true of Collateral Murder. But what about the leaks I mentioned?

And did you read the military legal review of the collateral murder incident? You're free, of course, to disbelieve what it concludes, but I'm not sure what more process you could reasonably have hoped for on that topic since the military is (unfortunately) in control of all the relevant evidence.

(By the way, it is also not great for your theory that I don't even know what cat, urine, or smells you're even talking about.)

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Post by ceejayoz »

rndgermandude wrote: post #178
Stuckinsofa wrote: post #153

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I will refer you to reading TFA. Also: rape.

I honestly don't like that what is alleged he did is referred to as rape as that implies violence to me. He is alleged to have had consensual sex with somebody, but without her knowledge removed the condom, which she only noticed later. While this is a consent issue and should be criminal, it's not the same as what I would think of when I hear "rape". Also, the charges, had been dropped and he was free to leave Swede…

There's no requirement for a rape to be violent.

Sex with a toddler is rape. Sex with a passed-out person you run across is rape. Sex with a blindfolded person who's into bondage but expecting someone else is rape.

If someone says they're only willing to have sex with a condom, and you secretly remove that condom, you're having non-consensual sex, i.e. rape.

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Post by Gpetrium »

Salamat wrote: post #481

Any possible relation to the arrest of Assange? IMF board approves $4.2 bln financing deal with Ecuador March 11 (Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund’s executive board approved the $4.2 billion financing deal with Ecuador https://www.reuters.com/article/ecuador-imf/imf-board-approv...

Ecuador has been reeling with weak economic growth and increased debt for a while now. Although there were still other options to finance their problems for the time being, it is likely that Ecuador has requested IMF financing and it has been blocked at the executive level for a few years on the condition that they played ball. Coupled that with the fact that Assange lost almost all his political capital and 'friendly points' in the past few years, it became a matter of when, not if, Ecuador would trade in.

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Post by dang »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #274

and considering the public mood after a several year campaign to demonize Wikileaks and Assange by the US media, chances are pretty high that he will rot in a US prison for life or have his ashes thrown into the sea the same way as they did with Osama bin Laden. The US is a terror state that uses torture and secret prisons. I hope that EU countries will stop extradition asap.

Would you stop taking HN threads further into political flamewar? This is not helpful. If you can't make your points without going over the top with fiery hyperbole, please don't post here.

I appreciate your positive contributions to this site, but we've had to warn you about breaking the guidelines so often that if you keep doing it we're going to ban you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19632957 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by mikeyouse »

cubano wrote: post #644
Mvandenbergh wrote: post #91

It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

I had a friend once who did 18 months Federal time for just saying he could get 100 tabs of LSD at a forest rave in central Florida. Not having it...not getting any...not even showing the undercover agent even one damn tab. His charge ended up being "Conspiracy Against the United States" or something along those lines. So I am pretty sure the US government will come up with some rather bogus charge against Assange, c…

It's very unlikely that the facts resemble anything like that. What's your friends name? I'll happily pay the Pacer fees to see what the charging document says.
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