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Re: How America lost its love for the stick shift

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They said "adaptive cruise control". That's where the car will speed up or slow down based on the traffic around you automatically. Sort of like self driving but not nearly as demanding. Obviously manuals have had normal cruise control for decades.

I live in the UK, manual cars have had adaptive cruise control here for some time.

So as the parent comment said, you can go to 0 and back up to 60 with no clutch/shift engagement whatsoever?

Re: How America lost its love for the stick shift

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Speaking as someone who has owned a number of sports cars with manual transmissions, I can tell you why I finally made the switch to automatic: Adaptive cruise control in stop and go traffic. I used to have to deal with a six-speed manual transmission in stop and go traffic for an hour every day, and it was pure torture. I mean, sure, it was fun for a weekend drive in the mountains, but it sucked the rest of the time…

Never found paddle shifters to be in the same league as a manual transmission even in modern high performance cars. There's always that bit of lag and delay with automatic that there isn't on a manual.

I can't be as fast as a modern automatic. Maybe it's just me, but the time taken to depress the clutch, shift, then release the clutch is always longer than in automatics today.

Re: How America lost its love for the stick shift

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Speaking as someone who has owned a number of sports cars with manual transmissions, I can tell you why I finally made the switch to automatic: Adaptive cruise control in stop and go traffic. I used to have to deal with a six-speed manual transmission in stop and go traffic for an hour every day, and it was pure torture. I mean, sure, it was fun for a weekend drive in the mountains, but it sucked the rest of the time…

My previous car had paddle shifters (DSG system) and I did not find it to be a great shifting experience at times, especially under 20mph between first and second. I saw it most pronounced when approaching a stop.

There were other times during fast up or down shifting that the car would get confused and pause before figuring out what to do.

Also, these newer automatic transmissions still do not give you anywhere near the level of control you get over the car, which I found to be really annoying whenever it snowed.

I'm sure these systems have improved, but last year I sold that car and bought a manual instead. It was hard to find, but I'm glad I switched back.

Re: How America lost its love for the stick shift

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"Nowadays you can get good robotized gearboxes that have almost none of the disadvantages, except for a slightly higher price." 1. These automatic transmissions are still the weak spot on most vechicles. 2. They still use clutch bands that wear. The trannies are anything but simple. Most mechanics farm out rebuilding a tranny. I would recon that a malfunctioning automatic transmission us the number one cause of junke…

I think you might be getting downvoted for using an abbreviation for 'transmission' that also happens to be a homonym for a slur against transgender people. You've written a good, informative comment drawing on your specialist expertise, so it seems a shame to have it lose visibility. You might consider editing to change the word that could be upsetting some people.

Please don't be serious. If anyone is offended by transmission being abbreviated to tranny... well, they need to rethink their priorities.

Re: How America lost its love for the stick shift

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I guess it depends on what you're driving, but that certainly hasn't been my experience.

It might depend on your size? I am tall and long-legged, so the effort of using the clutch is lifting my leg above the pedal and feathering it. Holding the clutch to the floor is no different than resting my foot on the dead pedal next to it. The only reason I would not want to hold the clutch for a long time is if I am worried I would be distracted and forget I was in gear. I would never put my manual in neutral unl…

Newer electric cars (with regenerative braking) have a "one pedal" mode like you're describing (it engages some amount of regenerative braking by default, unless you have the accelerator depressed a little, so you can just take your foot off to slow down).

Re: How America lost its love for the stick shift

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Manual is still usually about $1000 less in cars where it's an option. Probably for this reason, economy cars are more likely to offer it than fancier ones.

I would think this pricing is more based on a commercial positioning decision than actual economics - the manual is cheapest, and it maybe has less options for other fancy accessories, so that there is a very cheap "prices begin at" option which few people actually want. The margins may be even smaller there because of the extra cost of specific models, but it makes sense to have these available because then the volu…

Previous articles I read on the topic said the majority of standard transmissions sold were in economy cars. If you're stretching to buy a new car $1000 counts.

Re: How America lost its love for the stick shift

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Speaking as someone who has owned a number of sports cars with manual transmissions, I can tell you why I finally made the switch to automatic: Adaptive cruise control in stop and go traffic. I used to have to deal with a six-speed manual transmission in stop and go traffic for an hour every day, and it was pure torture. I mean, sure, it was fun for a weekend drive in the mountains, but it sucked the rest of the time…

I just do like the truckers do, leave it in second and crawl. It helps to not be concerned with maintaining a 6 inch gap with the car ahead. I truly believe that stop and go is caused by automatics. All of the brake tapping tends to bunch people up at the end of long lines forcing them to a complete stop. In a manual just let off on the gas a little and the engine brakes a little, no brake lights to create cascading…

What? Stop and go exits because cars brake faster than they accelerate and humans have non-zero reaction time. The average velocity tends to zero until the number of cars on the road is few enough that those factors are less meaningful than the speed limit.

Re: How America lost its love for the stick shift

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My father bought me my first car, under the conditions that it had to be a stick, since he wanted me to learn in general, and since you have to pay attention more to the road, your likelihood of getting into an accident decreases significantly. Now I drive a manual Golf GTI and I'm firmly of the "cold dead hands" camp with having it. I always wonder why other people don't like driving, and then I drive their cars. Ha…

That doesn't make any sense to me. Adding a stick shift means you have to pay more attention to shifting and less attention to the road.

At first possibly, but the mechanics of shifting become second-nature pretty quickly, about a few weeks to a month of daily driving.

After that, the idea is that you have to pay more attention to your surroundings to understand what gear you need to be in. Each gear has almost its own personality, something you only really get exposed to if you're forced to set it manually.

Its a lot like the car equivalent of the command line

Re: How America lost its love for the stick shift

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Have you driven one of the new automatics or an electric car? The best engagement happens when you don't have to think about what gear you're in, or plan for the downshift lag. That's true engagement! My plugin hybrid minivan with an e-cvt knocks the socks off of my old 5-speed Subaru wagon. A Minivan! (Edit) The reason why is that it takes me about a second to shift gears. A modern automatic can rev up before I'd ev…

I drive the Pacifica EV hybrid and the ride is almost flawless, except it uses the ICE when you floor the pedal which is odd since the electric has more boost in it. Can’t wait until the super capacitors become common. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ2Eo6wl5r0

I wish they did a smaller engine and a larger battery. I suspect the battery just can't deliver enough amperage for full acceleration.

Frankly, I wish it was completely electric... Also, I hate to say this... The minivan is just overpowered. I hardly press the accelerator and it's like driving a rocket. At least when I drove a Leaf I had to push down a bit when I wanted to go fast

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