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X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

chrisjj wrote: post #411
Bender wrote: post #95

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In my opinion I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM would be there are laws on the books for CSAM and not for social manipulation. If people could be jailed for manipulation there would be no social media platforms, lobbyists, political campaign groups or advertisements. People are already being manipulated by AI. On a related note given AI is just a tool and requires someone to tell it to make CSAM I t…

> I think the reason they raided the offices for CSAM Sigh. The French raid statement makes no mention of CSAM.

What does it say? I can't read French

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by mnewme »

ReptileMan wrote: post #703
mnewme wrote: post #698

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That is not the argument. No one is arguing about banning open source LLMs that could potentially create problematic content on huggingface, but X provides not only an AI model, but a platform and distribution as well, so that is inherently different

No it is not. X is dumb pipe. You have humans on both ends. Arrest them, summary execute them whatever. You go after X because it is a choke point and easy.

First you argue about the model, now the platform. Two different things.

If a platform encourages and doesn’t moderate at all, yes we should go after the platform.

Imagine a newspaper publishing content like that, and saying they are not responsible for their journalists

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

tjpnz wrote: post #422
q3k wrote: post #247

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There's no tool, technological or legal, to block/ban a website EU-wide.

The EU can declare a company a criminal enterprise and the financial industry must then prevent EU citizens from transacting with them.

They said blocking a website

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

IOT_Apprentice wrote: post #272
q3k wrote: post #247

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There's no tool, technological or legal, to block/ban a website EU-wide.

They will set their DNS servers to drop all incoming connections to X. That can be done in each country. They can use Deep Packet inspection tools and go from there. If the decision is EU wide then they will roll that out.

The EU has DNS servers?

The DNS servers take incoming connections to anything other than the DNS servers?

The EU has deep packet inspection tools?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by direwolf20 »

rvnx wrote: post #305
bulbar wrote: post #276

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What do you mean with "this type of platform"? Platforms that don't follow (any) national laws have been banned in multiple countries over the years. By itself this isn't extraordinary in a democracy.

and France is known for filtering internet access where domains are blocked (over 4000 added per year), including porn, but also news websites

Which news websites?

Re: X offices raided in France as UK opens fresh investigation into Grok

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Post by kypro »

yxhuvud wrote: post #590
muyuu wrote: post #532

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Frankly it sounds to me like a "show me the man and I'll show you the crime" kind of operation. France and the UK, and judging by yesterday's speech by the PM of Spain maybe the whole EU might be looking to do what China and Russia did earlier on and start cracking down on foreign social media by making it impossible to operate without total alignment with their vision and not just their (new) rules. Together with a…

Yes, if you don't follow EU laws prepare to not do business in Europe. Likewise, if you don't follow US laws I'd advise against trying to do business in USA.

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Post by thrance »

ReptileMan wrote: post #655
mnewme wrote: post #519

Good one. No platform ever should allow CSAM content. And the fact that they didn’t even care and haven’t want to spend money for implementing guardrails or moderation is deeply concerning. This has imho nothing to do with model censorship, but everything with allowing that kind of content on a platform

I disagree. Prosecute people that use the tools, not the tool makers if AI generated content is breaking the law. A provider should have no responsibility how the tools are used. It is on users. This is a can of worms that should stay closed, because we all lose freedoms just because of couple of bad actors. AI and tool main job is to obey. We are hurling at "I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that" future with b…

How? X is hostile to any party attempting to bring justice to its users that are breaking the law. This is a last recourse, after X and its owner stated plainly that they don't see anything wrong with generating CSAM or pornographic images of non-consenting people, and that they won't do anything about it.
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