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TikTok users can't upload anti-ICE videos. The company blames tech issues

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Post by sowbug »

sejje wrote: post #666
sowbug wrote: post #646

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In the US, the 8th Amendment prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, which courts have interpreted again and again as requiring that punishment be proportionate to the conduct. Weems v. United States (1910), for example, struck down a 15-year hard-labor sentence for a man who engaged in criminal fraud. Do you think Alex Pretti or Renee Good deserved 15 years of hard labor for disobeying ICE? How about just five years…

Cruel and unusual punishment is about sentencing, after a trial. These folks didn't go through a trial. No, I don't think either person deserved fifteen years of hard labor, or five years. What actually happened is not that they were executed on the spot, no.

It's not a particularly strong argument that these agents didn't violate the 8th amendment because they violated the 6th amendment right to trial.

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Post by pests »

weinzierl wrote: post #690
dataviz1000 wrote: post #253

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It isn't so much as the rest of the world having easy access. It is what the Chinese want the rest of the world to see. If you are in a South American country using a residential IP in new incognito session, doom scroll, after the initial disturbing content, you will start to notice videos of the United States government physically attacking people born in the country of the residential IP address. The TikTok algorit…

I'm confused. I thought there was Douyin in China and TikTok for the rest of the world. TikTok used to be under Chinese control but now is essentially under US control. Isn't western TikTok a single entity?

The news only dropped about 5 days ago about the US partnership. Its still a Chinese app. Now the deal with Oracle will have them designing the algo, storing US users data, and doing US moderation. It wasn't this way before.

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Post by dmix »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #270
guywithahat wrote: post #244

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Sure, but I was under impression those mechanism already exists. The question, as it were, comes to enforcement.

The mechanism to do it properly is the feds working with local and state officials where there's a full breadth of accountability and judicial coverage. Some states and cities have explicitly rejected doing this, some opting to purposefully make it harder. Trump instead of being diplomatic and trying to work with them has aggressively sent goons in to do flashy operations and pushed federal enforcement to the limits of the law.

ICE and border patrol wasn't really designed either legally or in training for these sorts of large operations, so it's created lots of dangerous situations like how to do crowd control broadly under laws like "interfering with a federal investigation", while commanders are pushing them hard for results.

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Post by jamwil »

trhway wrote: post #670
layman51 wrote: post #665

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Something similar happened in the 1988 President Election in Mexico which is widely considered to have been stolen. There was a very memeable phrase, “se cayó el sistema” which was used to describe how the computing system to count votes was glitching out or failing.

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Most of which had, in fact, no basis in truth. So no that’s nothing like the Mexican election.

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Post by agilob »

iugtmkbdfil834 wrote: post #126

Allow me to offer some words of wisdom. If you help building weapons to be used against $currently_designated_bad_people, you can rest assured that given enough time, those weapons will be used against you. I am watching all this with a mild sense of bemusement.

>If you help building weapons to be used against $currently_designated_bad_people

Democrats would really love some extra help from WikiLeaks right now, if only not Bidens administration who helped to extradite Julian.

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Post by WarmWash »

parthdesai wrote: post #491
sneak wrote: post #477

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Propaganda can be entirely factual. In fact, the best propaganda is.

I think you're being sarcastic, but just in case you're not > Propaganda is the deliberate, systematic manipulation of information—including facts, half-truths, or lies—to influence public opinion, attitudes, and behaviors toward a specific cause, ideology, or agenda.

A large percentage of Americans are convinced that police will just shoot them if they happen to feel like it.

Even including ICE in this statistic, you will never even meet someone who knows someone who was murdered by a cop. Police encounters that turn deadly, not even blatant murder, are on the order of 1 in 50,000.

However, that stream of police murder videos are definitely real.

Propaganda is often stoking tiny sparks into large raging forest fires.

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Post by palmotea »

toyg wrote: post #606
animal_spirits wrote: post #523

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I do love this song and I find it resonates to read the lyrics as though revolutions are censored by media (which is true). Though I found an interview with Gil Scott-Heron about the meaning of the lyrics and I find it more interesting; The revolution will not be televised because the revolution starts in your mind, at the dinner table, or reading books in the library. It won't be captured on TV because the revolutio…

One of the joys of poetry is that it can contain multiple hard-to-describe facets of the same concept. * The revolution won't be televised because they won't show it to you. * The revolution won't be televised because it's not a passive, external experience that you just consume. * The revolution won't be televised because it starts inside yourself.

* The revolution won't be televised because we don't watch TV anymore (and are fragmented and increasingly don't even have those common touch points anymore).

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Post by kayodelycaon »

BatteryMountain wrote: post #466

I wonder when Americans will wake up and see their system for what it is. It is almost too late to fix it. What comes next is going to change the rest of our lives (everyone, the whole world).

A large number of people don’t want the existing system.

They want Jesus on the throne, enforcing morality and making sure the poor people to work instead of being lazy grifters that take good people’s hard-earned money.

This isn’t a hot take. I’m a Christian who grew up that community. :(

It’s everywhere. And I hate what they are doing to my LGBTQ friends.

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Post by WarmWash »

fogzen wrote: post #459
dataviz1000 wrote: post #253

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It isn't so much as the rest of the world having easy access. It is what the Chinese want the rest of the world to see. If you are in a South American country using a residential IP in new incognito session, doom scroll, after the initial disturbing content, you will start to notice videos of the United States government physically attacking people born in the country of the residential IP address. The TikTok algorit…

The U.S. government has not publicly presented any concrete evidence showing that TikTok has actually been used to influence US public opinion in line with CCP policy.

China is less interested in turning Americans into carriers of the red banner, and more interested in sowing political discord and instability. Just like Russia was doing in 2016, creating faux Bernie rallies and organizing them across the street from faux Trump rallies.

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Post by palmotea »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #695
js8 wrote: post #133

When I was 11, on 17th Nov 1989, in Czechoslovakia, my father was watching the evening news on our (black and white) TV, as usual. There was a protest and the state media was reporting on it. When the reporter said, "our camera broke down and we can only show black and white pictures", my father IMMEDIATELY jumped up and angrily said, "that's bs, you don't want to show how they [the protesting students] got beaten up…

As a fellow Eastern European of similar age, I suddenly feel quite nostalgic. I really wonder how my life would be different if someone told be that the US, which for me was as close to a paradise as it gets, will go down the same road in the future - I think it would shatter quite a lot of my dreams of a better life. US is nowhere near as bad as it was on the wrong side of the Iron Curtain, but it's on a fast track…

> I really wonder how my life would be different if someone told be that the US, which for me was as close to a paradise as it gets, will go down the same road in the future - I think it would shatter quite a lot of my dreams of a better life.

That reminds me of one of the things that stuck with me from The Man in the High Castle (the book). The main story is an alternate timeline where the Nazis/Japanese won WWII and conquered America. Then there's an alternate-timeline-within-the-alternate-timeline where America/Britain won WWII, but it's not our timeline (and it's hinted there that the liberal US was eventually defeated by a British Empire gone full authoritarian). Everything passes away. The good guys sometimes win, but eventually they lose too.

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