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One, you are entirely moving the goal post. Nothing was said of winning. The discussion was about catching up and catching up they did. As I said, the market is competitive. Two, because the actual power consumption is not 65% higher - that's peak - and high end Chinese phones have batteries significantly bigger than the iPhone so you still get better screen time between charges in the end.

I think it’s fair to say that a SoC should perform better at higher wattages, so my comment is definitely relevant. Regardless, I don’t understand how you can say that I’m moving goalposts when I mention performance per watt, which is absolutely relevant when talking about smartphone SoC performance, and then you bring up battery capacity, which is not.

Your initial question was "How are they on par SoC-wise?"

They are on par because they now sometimes beat Apple top of the line A-chips on performance be it single core, multicores or GPU and do so within a power budget which allows the phone they ship in to be competitive screen-on time wise.

Apple doesn't have a one generation lead anymore which is a huge change compared to only three years ago.

You are moving the goalposts because the discussion was always about the gap between Apple and its competitors and you have entirely shifted to peak consumption when it was clear the conclusion would not be the one you want/expect.

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> Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Well no, Chinese phones are above Apple material-wise (better battery, better cameras, better cooling) and on par SoC-wise since last year. That's what makes Google's strategy so baffling. > Apple has better app selection (for most people). It's entirely the same. I have gone back and forth regularly for the past 10 years. Android is completely on par app-wise. Apple…

Chinese phones have great hardware at great prices, unfortunately they suck at software. So unless you want to spend the time and effort to switch to and work with the quirks of LineageOS or similar, you get an overall worse experience.

That hasn't been true for years. Both Oppo and Xiaomi ship with very usable software nowadays, very inspired by Cupertino in the case of Oppo but still ok.

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I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. That was maybe true in the very beginning, during the gold rush time of the app store. But not since then. In which category are there better iOS apps? Browsers? No, strictly worse. Youtube app? No, worse. Texting? Worse or equal (Whatsapp). Podcast client? I assume worse, since there is no Antenna Pod. Social media apps? The iOS variants of those apps are afaik in…

There is not a single android app that is ever better than its iOS counterpart. At the very top margin, the android app is equivalent to its iOS counterpart. But there’s really only Gmail, photos, and Google Maps, and the big tech co apps that this small exception covers. Android apps don’t have to be worse from a technical standpoint, but in reality they are always worse than the equivalent iOS app.

I personally wrote an app where the android version was better than the iOS version (because of background tasks and notification limitations on iOS). Your "not a single android app" is an absolute statement and thus absolutely wrong.

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Steal banking credentials, I think

How though? Just did the vulnerabilities that allow that.

It's not a vulnerability necessarily, but "Display over other apps" permission allows malicious apps to intercept interactions like users entering passwords and trick them into performing actions (clickjacking).

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Sideloading is a neologism to scare users and lawmakers, it just means "Installing software" and should be a basic right. Also software installation in Android has been high friction for a while. Installing an APK on my phone is at least 10 clicks.

I think what is missing here is the growing trend of scammers convincing people they are their bank (or whatever) and walking them through enabling side-loading and then installing malware (sometimes to address some urgent security issues with their account). This is meant to counter an actual issues that is affecting many many users.

You cannot save these people by technical means. They'll just fall for something else instead.

The only one who can protect them is a family member or appointed guardian.

Or maybe, just maybe, we start doing something about the criminals and those who protect them. It's ridiculous how these industrial-scale scam operations are allowed to exist.

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post #411

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So... installing software? >Specifically it means installing from a non-first party source. Just like 99% of software running on computers in the world today? How is it different from "installing software"?

>How is that different from "installing software"? It's easy to see this play out if try to replace "sideloading" with "installing software". If you apply it to OP's headline of >Google confirms 'high-friction' sideloading flow is coming to Android You get >Google confirms 'high-friction' installing software flow is coming to Android which isn't at all accurate. You still need the distinct concept of "installing soft…

Well that's just self-referential. You're justifying the distinction by referring to Google's (artificial) distinction.

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>>Apple has had better mobile hardware for years Are you joking? Look at the latest Xiaomi, Oppo and other Chinese manufacturers, Apple would love to have the hardware they are shipping right now. From batteries to cameras and screens, apple is way behind on hardware tech. Yeah they are better than Samsung - but Samsung has also massively fallen behind what's the state of the art. >>is another customer Google has to…

> Look at the latest Xiaomi, Oppo and other Chinese manufacturers, Apple would love to have the hardware they are shipping right now. If any of these manufacturers decide to include an EMR pen in the body of the phone, like Samsung's S-Pen, they'll have me as a customer. The S-Pen so completely changes the experience that I am unwilling to go back.

Shame Samsung decided to nerf the pen by removing bluetooth, I was one of those users who used it all the time to take photos with, now that they removed that function in the S25 Ultra I traded in my S24U and bought an Oppo instead. And I'm very glad that I did, it's a superior phone in many aspects.

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> Last time I tried Android I had to sign my rights away to everything the app wanted just to install it. Sounds like it was years ago... I remember that it was being introduced like... more than a decade ago? Of course maybe it took longer than iOS because of how Android works. iOS can just force everybody to use liquid glass with one update, Android has to think more about backward compatibility.

It was there for the launch of the App Store with iOS. They didn’t have to worry about backward compatibility, because they took the time to worry about user privacy and app developer overreach from the very start.

A difference is also that Apple has 100% control over the hardware and can enforce their updates much better than Android.

Android has to deal with tons of devices, and allow developers to update their tooling while supporting older devices. I actually find it quite impressive how they manage to do that. Must be difficult.

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post #507

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Wow I don't get all the downvotes I'm getting for that. You answered to: >> I don't see any iOS advantage with the apps anymore. With a list of apps, some of which only listed because they got Android support a few months later. And some of which I have never heard of (SmartSDR?). I get why those apps matter to you , but it feels a bit arbitrary. While the quote refers to something that was more general (which sugges…

>I get why those apps matter to you, [...] I am just saying that the answer "no but I checked the app I like on iOS and a handful of them don't exist on Android" was kind of one anecdotal data point in the discussion. No, you don't get why it matters to me. You assuming my comment was just a personal list of my favorite apps is way off base. To be clear, I have never installed nor used any of those apps on either iOS…

> You assuming my comment was just a personal list of my favorite apps is way off base

Well I am saying that it is a list of apps I have never used (if I have heard of them at all), so it sounds arbitrary for a comparison between iOS and Android.

> Because I was researching possible coding strategies for a new smartphone app

Sure, yeah, it makes sense there. I just don't feel like "ChatGPT released their Android app 2 months after iOS means that iOS is better in terms of apps".

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> Apple has had better mobile hardware for years. Well no, Chinese phones are above Apple material-wise (better battery, better cameras, better cooling) and on par SoC-wise since last year. That's what makes Google's strategy so baffling. > Apple has better app selection (for most people). It's entirely the same. I have gone back and forth regularly for the past 10 years. Android is completely on par app-wise. Apple…

Chinese phones have great hardware at great prices, unfortunately they suck at software. So unless you want to spend the time and effort to switch to and work with the quirks of LineageOS or similar, you get an overall worse experience.

ColorOS 16 on my Oppo Find N5 works flawlessly, fast, smooth. I have no idea what you mean
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