>Ah, yes, the conversation gets quite tidy and easy for you to manage if you slather everything with a layer of "that's subjective!" "that's not core!" "that's not true in a complex edge case that's inconvenient for multi-page PWAs to set up and is largely if not entirely unused for anything but branded 'no connection' pages out in the wild!"
You claimed that web apps feel "janky, fragile and out of place" which many people, including myself, don't agree with. So how are you whining about us saying "that's subjective!"? It just factually is. Web Apps like Discord or Visual Studio Code could have never ever become such popular apps if your subjective experience were the dominant perspective, but it's not. Many of the criticisms are completely outdated, the most prominent of which seems to be the file size of the resulting app. For me that's simply irrelevant, because disk space is cheap.
>I largely agree with you, dude. You yourself briefly recognize that and appear to try to hold that against me for some reason. But your blindness to what you consider non-core or what you consider a subjective non-issue will make you a less effective advocate.
You agreed with my thesis and I didn't bring that up to "hold it against you" but to make you understand that you're arguing insignificant details now that are not inherent technological limitations which derail the conversation and lead to exactly this kind of redundant never ending unproductive back and forth....
>'m not going to go through it point by point because I can't. You ignored and hand-waved away the things I care about and was interested in discussing for a hand-wavy future that doesn't exist and we have no clear path to.
No you can't go through it point by point because I supposedly "ignored or have-waved" anything, but the opposite - I've systematically addressed every single of your claims, most of which, were either subjective opinions not shared by others or outright false claims based on outdated knowledge.
>We don't have deep system integration. We don't have native UI elements on the web. We don't have many things, and while Electron is clearly suitable for many purposes, it is not the web platform and is part of what's keeping it from reaching its full potential.
Why are you repeating stuff like you are the one who just discovered them, when you are literally just regurgitating points that i've already listed in my original posts from a day ago.
>The web's incredibly lightweight, flexible, and powerful! But we can't talk about the problems and work to get a better future if we just ignore them.
Nothing has been ignored, I've listed all the issues and also addressed all your points. The issue is that you've derailed the conversation by nitpicking insignificant details that are not inherent technological limitations but choices made by apps and their product-management which are trade-offs based on cost/time/benefit.