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Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Re: Trump administration halts Harvard's ability to enroll international students

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Post by magicalist »

judah wrote: post #598
neuroelectron wrote: post #572

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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On the contrary, the issue is that Harvard allowed pro-Hamas students to attack and persecute Jewish students. Harvard failed to protect the Jewish students, even rewarded those students who intimidated Jewish students on campus. Pro-Hamas students barged into classrooms with bullhorns. Camped out on campus and prevented Jewish students from reaching their classrooms, forming lines and locking hands outside of classr…

> Harvard recently released a 311-page report detailing these issues[0].

Can you be more specific about what was detailed in the report and where? Because the things you mention aren't in your linked article at all.

There were protests that got way too heated, but calling them "pro-Hamas students" has me, uh, doubting your take on this a bit. The highlights called out in your article are wholly different, focused instead on campus behavior that seems drawing back from embracing diversity and is instead alienating whole cultures.

> It's for this reason that the federal government is withholding its funding

We aren't talking about funding, though? We're talking about denying attendance by any international student.

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Post by jmye »

zappb wrote: post #700
klipt wrote: post #658

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully it dies, but republicans do have a senate majority too.

They don’t have 60 senators which is required to pass anything besides the budget these days thanks to the filibuster.

If Republicans believe they will never lose the Senate, they can easily bypass the filibuster without 60 votes. To date, the adults in the room prevented either party from doing this for short term wins, but a) there are no adults in the room and b) it’s arguable the Senate will never again have a non-Republican majority (demographically, not a conspiracy theory).

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Post by throwaway219450 »

djoldman wrote: post #595

I was curious how this could legally be done. It's through this: https://studyinthestates.dhs.gov/schools/apply/getting-start... As far as I can tell, the headlines are not quite accurate. From my reading, a more accurate description would be that one cannot obtain a student visa to go to Harvard. So presumably, if someone could acquire legal residence in another way, they would be free to attend Harvard.

Yes ish, see my other comment.

Foreign students normally enter via a non-immigrant visa (F1), or rather they are eligible to apply for that visa at an embassy, if a registered sponsor supports it. The visa permits a request for entry into the country for the purpose of study (at a port of entry). The most important document that you need day to day is a DS-2019 and you must remain "in F1 status" in the SEVIS system for the duration of your program. If you don't leave the US, you don't need another visa even if your original one expires, the university can issue you a new DS-2019 annually until your end-of-program date. That's up to 5 years dependent on the category. If you leave after your visa expires you have to renew it out of the country, which is normally straightforward (using the dropbox system).

The government has not prevented foreign people from studying or working at Harvard, they have withdrawn their ability to maintain status while at Harvard. Hence why they can transfer to another institution.

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Post by magicalist »

nova22033 wrote: post #534
neilv wrote: post #89

Can someone ELI5 the power networks involved here? I didn't expect to see Harvard getting smacked around or humiliated like this. Between Harvard, Yale, and possibly a few other schools, I thought they had influence throughout government. And that key figures in government were interested in maintaining and benefiting from that influence. And a lot of that influence seemed aligned with national interests. (For exampl…

Bill Ackman is mad at Harvard for allowing the Palestine protests. He switched his support to Trump for that one reason. This is the payoff.

> Bill Ackman is mad at Harvard for allowing the Palestine protests. He switched his support to Trump for that one reason

Ackman voted for Trump in 2016.

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Post by QuarterReptile »

ethbr1 wrote: post #382
pfannkuchen wrote: post #354

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One explanation might be that the objects of their influence are nested within agencies. Most presidents let the agencies run mostly unsupervised, it seems like. With the agencies now under heavy fire structurally, they may not be able to do what they would normally do to prevent this kind of thing. I think the whole agency model gives the president way more power than they are meant to have. I guess this exists to s…

The intent of agencies was three-fold: 1. As the US grew and the workload required to govern it grew, Congress' ability to directly and quickly manage the country was outpaced. Consequently, agencies served as the grease between Congress' high-level actions/funding and the low-level implementation. 2. Due to the ever-adversarial nature of Congress, it was recognized that most Congresses operated slowly, and consequen…

Conversely, the flaw of the civil servant plan during Trump 1 was that stonewalling the top of your org chart can really bite you if he sticks around too long or, maybe worse, comes back.

In any case, the President will keep having too much power until Congress starts taking theirs back.

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Post by JeremyNT »

intermerda wrote: post #129
scoofy wrote: post #8

If you are a Republican and didn’t sign up for this, can you please write your representatives about impeachment? This is getting ridiculous. We’d be much better off with a president Vance.

I used to think that the Republican officials just put on a mask and perform kabuki for their Dear Leader. But the signalgate texts proved otherwise. This kind of thinking has penetrated deep into the party. It's not going away. Not with Vance.

When people show you who they are, believe them.

This is what the Republican party is about.

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Post by nkurz »

jimt1234 wrote: post #570
nkurz wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The best source I've seen for understanding the underlying power dynamics at play is the DHS's Press Release: https://www.dhs.gov/news/2025/05/22/harvard-university-loses... Here's the beginning: WASHINGTON – Today, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem ordered DHS to terminate the Harvard University’s Student and Exchange Visitor Program (SEVP) certification. This means Harvard can no longer enroll foreign student…

> Let this serve as a warning to all universities and academic institutions across the country. Remember when people were really mad about weaponizing the government? I guess that's okay now. Good to know.

I'll take this opportunity to mention that I don't think the DHS press release should be taken as "authoritative" on anything other than the government's intentions. As you point out, the administration is being wonderfully clear that they intend to make an example of Harvard and punish those who would side with them.

I'm glad that despite being immediately being voted to a negative score and pushed to the bottom, some people like you are reading the link. If the goal is to understand what Harvard is up against, I think it's really useful to read what the government is actually claiming. I wasn't expecting that many people here would be persuaded by it!

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Post by acbart »

zappb wrote: post #700
klipt wrote: post #658

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hopefully it dies, but republicans do have a senate majority too.

They don’t have 60 senators which is required to pass anything besides the budget these days thanks to the filibuster.

This is the budget reconciliation bill.
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