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Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by mvdtnz »

pornel wrote: post #546
rainsford wrote: post #432

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This seems like a fairly common point as well in car reviews. Super fast cars of any type are only fun in a very limited set of circumstances, most of them not on a normal road. In contrast, even your daily commute can be made more fun with a car that's lightweight or has good handling or an engaging manual shifter or whatever. It's basically the entire premise of the Mazda Miata. It's an unfortunate trend with EVs t…

Instant torque makes lots of people grin. Most BEVs also have low center of gravity and even mass distribution, so they’re not as bad as a heavy ICE car. On public roads, 0-30mph acceleration is probably most fun you can have within realm of legal and sensible driving. Handling is not an issue at speed limits of public roads.

What are you even talking about? Maybe if you're driving around the grid of a city. Most driving enthusiasts know where to find roads that are fun at legal speeds.

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

One of the issues it'll face in Europe is weight. One source I found for the "cyberbeast" model claims a 6843-pound curb weight. That's 3.1 metric tons. While there are discussions for special allowances for electric cars, the current limit of what you're allowed to drive with a normal driving license in the EU is 3.5 tons of gross vehicle weight rating.

In other words, in order to allow most people to drive the Cyberbeast, it would have to be rated so that (regardless of your license) you can't add more than 400 kg to it (this includes driver and passengers!). Hope the six people it's supposed to fit are light and have absolutely zero luggage.

That would obviously make it entirely pointless.

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Post by enjoylife »

starcraft2wol wrote: post #664
rainsford wrote: post #372

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Also a 911 looks like a cool sports car, while the cybertruck looks like it's being rendered by a Super Nintendo. A lot of the attraction of sports cars is the cool aesthetic, which your average family SUV or pickup truck really doesn't have, and the cybertruck has a negative amount of.

I don't think this comment will age well.

If the “Lindy effect” holds true for the 911, it might be quite a long time before the 911 and its variants go out of style. The same cannot be said for the cyber truck, and all of the other short lived prototype cars that have very harsh angular lines.

Re: Tesla Cybertruck Pricing and Specs

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Post by mvdtnz »

yreg wrote: post #433
screye wrote: post #384

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For the longest time, a section of the car enthusiast community has said that 'slow car fast is better than fast car fast'. Now a days, it is taken to mean that a light car that is fast enough is always more fun than a heavier car, no matter how fast. The Tesla Cybertruck might be the best example of this phenomenon. At 7000 lbs and a high ground clearance, there is no amount of power that can make this car feel nimb…

> At 7000 lbs and a high ground clearance, there is no amount of power that can make this car feel nimble. Why do you believe that? (I assume you have not test driven it.) From the videos it seems to feel very nimble.

Basic physics.

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Post by maximinus_thrax »

andreygrehov wrote: post #710
ttfkam wrote: post #164

I see from the photos it will have side mirrors now, so no side cameras after all. Still haven't heard anything about crash testing, which I'm curious about since thick stainless steel isn't what one would usually associate with crumple zones. To be sure, I wouldn't want to be hit by one if I were a pedestrian in a crosswalk.

> I wouldn't want to be hit by one if I were a pedestrian in a crosswalk Weird take, as if Corollas never killed pedestrians.

As with everything (including knowledge about a particular subject), there's a spectrum. So it's not like cars don't kill pedestrians, but some do it better than others [0]. The cybertruck looks like the kind of car that's more efficient at killing pedestrians than say a Prius.

[0] https://www.euroncap.com/en/car-safety/the-ratings-explained...

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Post by tgsovlerkhgsel »

rgmerk wrote: post #167
everfrustrated wrote: post #72

Faster quarter mile drag speed than a Porsche 911 _while also towing a 911_ That's incredible marketing. https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1730331223992472029

There is something quite shocking (pardon the pun) to older car enthusiasts about just how fast off the line dual-motor EVs are. The super coupes of one’s youth are utterly obliterated on the dragstrip, not by EV coupes, but by family SUVs and pickup trucks. That said, just because they can go fast in a straight line doesn’t make them in any way equivalent to a 911. Give me a mountain pass or a racetrack, (and no kid…

This also makes an EV the best tool for convincing "EVs are not manly enough" kind of types, which I expect to be an actually meaningful hurdle in the highly polarized US. I don't think many people will forget the first time they were in any not entirely underpowered EV when the driver floored it.

That's likely one of the reasons for Tesla's success - EVs sell EVs, and Teslas sell Teslas. Tesla can skimp on marketing, the customers do it for them by showing the cars off and the cars sell themselves.

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Post by rpmisms »

tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #683
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #240

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> trucks are huge now due to various fuel efficiency regulations Correct. It's because of "...the fine print of Corporate Average Fuel Economy (CAFE) standards adopted in 1975, Gerald Ford’s reluctant response to a crippling Middle East oil embargo that sent gas prices soaring. To protect American commerce, work trucks and light trucks were subject to less-strict CAFE standards than family sedans. Trucks are also exe…

An obvious, easy solution would be to allow car makers to classify a vehicle as either a "car" or a "truck" (once classified, it cannot be reclassified without the car maker being subject to the worst of both worlds). Cars can be driven with a car driving license. Trucks can be driven with a truck driving license, or CDL, or have to be registered by a company, or _whatever licensing requirement makes it perfectly fea…

Except that in all of America that isn't a city (most of it), a truck is a super useful tool and requiring a CDL would basically be a bad joke.

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Post by dkjaudyeqooe »

jimt1234 wrote: post #704
alistairSH wrote: post #550

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What happens if the engine shuts off (and the alternator stops spinning)? Does the steering just run off the 12v system?

Engineering Explained did a really good video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agMrewRJTow

To save going through that whole video for the answer: they have redundant power supplies (3 batteries total) and redundant actuator motors.

But the fact is if there is a bad enough electrical/wiring fault, especially as the car gets older, you are toast and you have no steering.

Of course the same thing can happen with mechanical steering (eg a broken linkage) it comes down to the quality of the design and build.

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