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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by adrianmonk »

tristor wrote: post #512
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

> What's wrong with these people? It's Utah. Utah, for all the ways that actually matter, is effectively a theocracy operated by an ultra-conservative religious minority. Utah is about as similar to the rest of the United States as the rest of the United States is similar to the Middle East.

> an ultra-conservative religious minority

AFAICT, within the state, Mormons are not a minority but a majority. Wikipedia says[1] 60.68% as of 2020.

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[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Utah

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by kevin_thibedeau »

anigbrowl wrote: post #665
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lots of places have mandatory ID checks regardless of appearance.

Stop complying with them. If they won't sell to you, take your business elsewhere and tell them why. If they whine about laws tell them to hire better lobbyists.

Eliminating the discretion of a cashier is not a bad thing. It harms no one and makes their job easier.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by gnicholas »

uncletammy wrote: post #660
anigbrowl wrote: post #635

Earlier quoted context omitted.

2. I don't want to live in a permission society where I have to submit to inspection to do anything. If it’s not a big deal then verifying your age shouldn’t phase you anymore than verifying your age to buy alcohol. I don't like that either and some years ago I stopped providing my ID on request. Corporate vendors (eg supermarkets) still insist on asking my birthdate. I'm in my 50s. Paternalistic attitudes infantiliz…

> I don't like that either and some years ago I stopped providing my ID on request. How does this work with picking up prescription medication?

The only time I've been asked for an ID at a pharmacy was for non-prescription sudafed. I've picked up many prescriptions for myself and my family, and they have never asked for ID.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by [deleted] »

nathan_compton wrote: post #709
Retric wrote: post #687

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state doesn’t recognize such unions, but it doesn’t prohibit them either. So you can’t have multiple marriage licenses, but you can legally hold a public polygamist civil ceremony followed by “cohabitation.” Granted people want the legal befits of a recognized marriage rather than the state to treating it as two actors preforming a ceremony as part of a play. But such distinction are relevant when you say somethi…

There are federal laws against polygamy and laws against it in every state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_polygamy_in_the_Un...

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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by gnicholas »

brightball wrote: post #537
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

There’s such a strange dichotomy in these conversations. 1. Porn shouldn’t be available to kids and it’s on the vendors legally to ensure that. 2. Porn should be unrestricted, it’s up to parents to do something about it. What I can’t understand is if the people in camp 2 are so unashamed of the porn advocacy then why is age verification such a big deal? If it’s not a big deal then verifying your age shouldn’t phase y…

> If it’s not a big deal then verifying your age shouldn’t phase you anymore than verifying your age to buy alcohol.

If the cashier asks for your ID when you buy a six-pack, that's completely ephemeral, with no record created. If they swipe your ID (I think this happens sometimes), that creates a record, but it's not clear if it stores personal info or just verifies that it's a valid ID with appropriate birthdate.

If you verify your age to view online pornography, there's no way to do so ephemerally, at least that most people would trust. I think most people who oppose these types of rules wouldn't have a problem with showing ID at an adult shop to buy an adult DVD (but I could be wrong).

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by Retric »

nathan_compton wrote: post #709
Retric wrote: post #687

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The state doesn’t recognize such unions, but it doesn’t prohibit them either. So you can’t have multiple marriage licenses, but you can legally hold a public polygamist civil ceremony followed by “cohabitation.” Granted people want the legal befits of a recognized marriage rather than the state to treating it as two actors preforming a ceremony as part of a play. But such distinction are relevant when you say somethi…

There are federal laws against polygamy and laws against it in every state: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_of_polygamy_in_the_Un...

From the article you linked.

“On December 13, 2013, a federal judge, spurred by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups,[25] struck down the parts of Utah's bigamy law that criminalized cohabitation, while also acknowledging that the state may still enforce bans on having multiple marriage licenses.[26] The state of Utah appealed the decision, arguing that polygamist Kody Brown (whose relationships were documented in the show Sister Wives) lacked standing to bring his civil suit, since his county prosecutor, Jeff Buhman, had not followed through on any plan to prosecute the Brown family. The Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals (Denver) agreed with Utah and overturned the previous decision, thus effectively recriminalizing polygamy as a felony.[27]”

Of note, the state of Utah won the appeal because they didn’t bring action against the group rather than because the lower court’s decision was incorrect. Thus polygamy can remain illegal as long as nobody is ever prosecuted for it.

It also mentions: “Given that almost no polygamists bother to seek a second marriage license, the practice of forming a family with more than one spousal-styled relationship is very difficult to criminalize. In the majority of cases, the additional partner is considered a wife in the context of religious beliefs. Legally speaking, the practice is more akin to adultery.”

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Post by scarface74 »

Retric wrote: post #687
scarface74 wrote: post #649

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It very much restricts people who want to marry more than one person from doing so and until a few years ago, the government restricted marriage to heterosexual couples.

The state doesn’t recognize such unions, but it doesn’t prohibit them either. So you can’t have multiple marriage licenses, but you can legally hold a public polygamist civil ceremony followed by “cohabitation.” Granted people want the legal befits of a recognized marriage rather than the state to treating it as two actors preforming a ceremony as part of a play. But such distinction are relevant when you say somethi…

https://supreme.findlaw.com/legal-commentary/sister-wives-wi...

> If even one of the marriages is a legal, civil marriage, then Kody and the wives are probably guilty of bigamy under Utah's definition. The Utah Code states that a "person is guilty of bigamy when, knowing he has a husband or wife or knowing the other person has a husband or wife, the person purports to marry another person or cohabits with another person." This is broad in three respects -- it criminalizes the behavior of both purported spouses, not just the one who is already married; it, as interpreted by the state's highest court, includes religious ceremonies undertaken without a civil license as falling under the heading of "purporting to marry"; and it criminalizes cohabitation (as well as actual marriage) with a second person while married to someone else.

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Post by haldujai »

solarmist wrote: post #688
PathOfEclipse wrote: post #679

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> You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. It turns out, a mother's nipple has a far different effect on an infant than a young adult female nipple does on a teenage boy. If this is difficult for you to grasp, then you should consider stepping away from this conversation, as there is clearly nuance here that the average person can easily understan…

If your moral code dictates what other people can or cannot do with their own lives in their homes then I contend that your moral code may be corrupt or severely misguided.

I'm unclear whether you're arguing that obscene/pornographic material should be accessible/distributed to minors as the distinction here is that this activity is in fact a federal crime in the US (and most of the world).

The government unequivocally has the right and obligation to enforce federal law. To what extent and by which mechanisms they should do this is a different question altogether but this issue is hardly about 'dictating what other people can do with their own lives in their homes' as was the case with other laws like anti-LGBT.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by Jach »

tristor wrote: post #512
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

> What's wrong with these people? It's Utah. Utah, for all the ways that actually matter, is effectively a theocracy operated by an ultra-conservative religious minority. Utah is about as similar to the rest of the United States as the rest of the United States is similar to the Middle East.

This reads like an over-the-top warning that's really meant to try and keep more people (especially Californians) from moving in.
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