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New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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i like to roast my aubergine for babaganoush on an open flame. try that on an induction cooker and let me know?

Is it something that you cook daily? If it's occasional, maybe you could get a small butane gas burner or something equivalent?

You’re reaching so desperately for a way to defend this blatant overreach, and I think you missed the original point.

Re: New York to ban natural gas, including stoves, in new buildings

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I used to be very much on the side of gas stoves are always better than electric. Then I had a decent inductor stove and it changed my mind for good. Much of my opinion on electric stoves was based on “folklore” passed down from my parents and on using ancient resistive stoves. Get an induction hob - you will not look back.

It’s only ancient if you’re well off. The majority of renters won’t have induction stovetops

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This is such baloney - there's so many way more relevant factors to the taste of food then which power source was used to provide heat. I bet if you did a blind tasting you'd not be able to tell the difference.

i like to roast my aubergine for babaganoush on an open flame. try that on an induction cooker and let me know?

Staying away from the flame war (pun intended), but regarding baba ganoush: you might get better results with an electric oven (grill/broiler) and a cheap gas torch.

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I _rent_ a home, as do a full half of new york state residents. I'd love an electric stove. Every rental I've ever lived in has a gas stove and no fume hood. The full half of new yorkers who rent - almost 20 million people - mostly get whatever theirlandlord picked. So when I read posts like this, decrying government overreach, I wonder if you've ever been poor? Have you ever lived here? Do you know what youre talkin…

> almost 20 million people - mostly get whatever theirlandlord picked. So when I read posts like this, decrying government overreach... What's the purpose of an outright ban then? Why not just ban it from rental properties? > I wonder if you've ever been poor? What do you think the median income for home ownsership is? I'm sure you make plenty of money more than most homeowners if you're renting in New York.

> What's the purpose of an outright ban then? Why not just ban it from rental properties?

Read the newspiece before posting questions that you would have the answer to if you had read the first paragraph.

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I also _rent_. I hate food cooked on electric stoves, so when I was looking to rent, anything that dint have gas stove was automatic non-starter for me. This whole argument that “you oppose a forced choice so you must hate poor people” is just a straw-man. Just because you prefer things one way doesn’t mean govt has a business telling me how I should cook my food.

This is such baloney - there's so many way more relevant factors to the taste of food then which power source was used to provide heat. I bet if you did a blind tasting you'd not be able to tell the difference.

When people say they don’t like electric stoves, what they are saying is that they don’t like the PROCESS of cooking on an electric stove, and hence the results are not as good

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I _rent_ a home, as do a full half of new york state residents. I'd love an electric stove. Every rental I've ever lived in has a gas stove and no fume hood. The full half of new yorkers who rent - almost 20 million people - mostly get whatever theirlandlord picked. So when I read posts like this, decrying government overreach, I wonder if you've ever been poor? Have you ever lived here? Do you know what youre talkin…

Your logic makes no sense. Make laws requiring landlords to properly vent gas stoves, not ban them altogether.

> Your logic makes no sense. Make laws requiring landlords to properly vent gas stoves, not ban them altogether.

Read the article. Health concerns are an issue, buy they are not the reason why New York is banning natural gas in new constructions.

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Only 24% of my state (Washington) has gas stoves. We have already begun the process to ban Natural Gas into new buildings. Nothing major is happening and the sky is not falling. If you are curious about your state's ratio of gas to electric stoves, you can check here [PDF warning]: https://www.eia.gov/consumption/residential/data/2020/state/...

Washington is unique in its hydropower positioning. It's easy to electrify in Washington because it makes sense to do so. Hydropower is cheap and clean. Unfortunately it's not a replicable model for the rest of the country.

NY has a lot of hydro and nuclear power.

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How about not, unless there is a reason why it is not possible to do multiple things in parallel?

Because we're not doing the things that are truly impactful and have no cost to individuals, and instead focusing on changes that are annoying and useless. Plastic bags, plastic straws, gas stoves, the list goes on and on. All the while, the Germans have turned the coal power plants back on. That does not suggest that anyone is taking the environmental effects of their choices very seriously, and that they just want…

You are free to participate politically if you think there are things needed to be done that aren't done. This is the way to stop governments (directly) and the industry (indirectly) reduce emissions. This can include elections, demonstrations, petitions, civil disobedience and more.

Just keep in mind, things aren't always always that simple. E.g. Russia stopped shipping Germany gas, because they helped defending Ukraine which Russia started a war on. At the same time Germany relied on that Gas, and hat to quickly move to alternatives to keep the country running.

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I _rent_ a home, as do a full half of new york state residents. I'd love an electric stove. Every rental I've ever lived in has a gas stove and no fume hood. The full half of new yorkers who rent - almost 20 million people - mostly get whatever theirlandlord picked. So when I read posts like this, decrying government overreach, I wonder if you've ever been poor? Have you ever lived here? Do you know what youre talkin…

Uhhh... woe is you? Plenty of non-poor people live with gas stoves, often without fume hoods, and even prefer gas. Not once have I ever felt ill or victimized because I had to cook on gas.

> Not once have I ever felt ill or victimized because I had to cook on gas.

Your comment reads like someone swearing smoking has no health impact because they never felt ill or victimized for smoking.

Meanwhile, even the World Health Organization produces reports on health risks of household air pollution, where stoves are the primary pollution source.

https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/household-a...

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