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Musk on November 6th: My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/15894149585086914...

“I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that’s what free speech means” —@elonmusk 20220425

https://twitter.com/artywah/status/1603592195046400000

(I don’t have a direct link to that tweet, but I’m confident that screenshot tweet isn’t faked.)

Edit: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657

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The underlying issue: Musk's incentives don't give him much reason to care if Twitter goes under. Musk likely feels he might as well push for any changes he likes, and gain whether Twitter survives or not. What was Musk's biggest bugbear about 'old' Twitter? The moderation system. If Twitter goes under, the only practical alternative at the moment is Mastodon, and Mastodon can't replicate Twitter's moderation due to…

> If Twitter goes under, the only practical alternative at the moment is Mastodon

WeChat: "am I a joke to you?"

Seriously, Zuck wishes he had the kind of daily center-stage that WeChat has in their customers' lives. Totally guarantee that if Twitter officially folded they'd at least make a play and they might well come out on top.

WeChat is absolutely the #1 beneficiary of any Twitter collapse scenario - which is one of China's reasons for lending Musk all that money. It's win-win, either they own musk and twitter (they've already got him banning chinese journalists and pushing the state position), or twitter collapses and they get a play at WeChat 2.0 for the western market.

Russia is the other big player in Musk's loans... not sure if there's an immediate benefit to them from collapse, but, if it succeeds they'll have a similar venue for psyops and misinformation campaigns at a minimum, plus potentially some direct leverage just like china.

> Mastodon can't replicate Twitter's moderation due to its architecture. So Musk gets what he wants anyway.

Oh, not only does Mastodon have moderation but it's worse than that: mastodon is effectively community moderation. The problem of edgelord shit (literally edge, finding the exact boundary of the law/written policy/etc and dancing around it) is that everyone knows it when they see it, but that's not a coherent editorial policy. But if you're an edgelord nazi or kf'er you'll just get banned from pods, or pods will refuse to federate with you at all. People have no obligation to play the tap-dance with you around what the exact boundary is, if you wanna be an edgelord fuck then get banned. Hell you'll get put into banlists (like ublock lists) that servers will subscribe to and block you everywhere.

This is not government censorship after all, just good old fashioned O(1) moderation. I'm sure you know what would happen if you posted nazi shit in your local discord. What the fuck bro *kick*. And if the "nazi pod" forms, that will get filtered out of everyone's peering.

Social media always adapts whenever the social norms or group expectations (for a particular community) are too at-odds with the moderation policy. When someone turns into a badmin and violates community norms, as musk is doing by inviting nazis and shit back onto the platform, the community will melt away and re-form somewhere else that aligns with the social norms. And the thing is, now that you've moved away from centralized moderation, there is no one single finely detailed moderation policy for you to play games with, it's just what the hachyderm admin or whoever wants to set as their policy, it's different on a per-pod basis, and a lot of those people aren't going to be inclined to play footsie with nazis or KF'ers. It's transgressive/edgelord content precisely because most people don't like it, after all.

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This exactly how a dictator behaves - imagined threats from everywhere ordering his minions "lop of their heads".

I wonder how the VC folks and banks who helped fund the takeover feels about the billions they just blew away - twitter is going to be slowly dying as the crazies in the asylum takes over.

Long live the King.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is everyone up in arms for? This is a private company, so he can do whatever he wants. That is what everyone has been saying for years. I mean, it turns out they were wrong and Twitter was actually colluding with government agencies to bypass the first amendment. But censorship and targeted suspensions were defended tooth and nail by internet commenters. Is this a problem now only because people you like are tar…

> Is this a problem now only because people you like are targeted? Yes, this is exactly the problem but in the opposite direction you are implying. Musk believed that Twitter blocking the sharing of an article about ToS breaking behavior was worthy of the “Twitter Files” when the story was bad for his political opponent, but he thinks it is fine when the story is bad for him. It shows that he has no actual principled…

In other words it strongly implies that the shifting current moods of individual high profile people are not a good way to sort out the rules of public discourse.

It's perfectly legal under the current rules as they apply to Twitter (in the United States) but one has to wonder (now and before) if it is advisable to keep them as such.

That is the public discussion societies around the world will have.

Elon Musk highlighted this issue by falsely and strongly claiming impartiality

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not that this is a good defense, but I think "genuinely scared for his or his child's safety" is a real possibility. Especially if he (rightly or wrongly, no comment there) thinks someone threatened his child... well, protecting your children is one of the more powerful instincts humans have, one of the handful powerful enough to outweigh an ego like Elon's. Plus he has to be at least a little frazzled by Twitter hav…

He cares so much about his children that one have gone a long way to have nothing to do with him [1]. His personal life is a mess, really a mess [2]. Like many billioners entrepreneurs I think he is just an absent father who only cares about him self. [1] https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/elon-musks-daughter-gra... [2] https://people.com/parents/everything-to-know-about-elon-mus...

For better or worse, that has very little to do with the kind of emotions I'm talking about. They seem (to me anyway) to start just north of the so-called lizard brain.

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Musk on November 6th: My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/15894149585086914...

“I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that’s what free speech means” —@elonmusk 20220425 https://twitter.com/artywah/status/1603592195046400000 (I don’t have a direct link to that tweet, but I’m confident that screenshot tweet isn’t faked.) Edit: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1518623997054918657

And in the 3 minute call where he popped onto a Twitter space tonight, he now says doxxing is zero tolerance and journalists aren't above the rules. But the alleged "doxxing" was the journalist doing nothing more than linking to the @elonjet account.

@elonjet can be found on Mastodon at https://mastodon.social/@elonjet

Incredibly, links to Mastodon instances are now flagged as a safety risk on Twitter.

Video of the Twitter spaces meeting, until this link gets removed: https://twitter.com/ForeverEversley/status/16036127708929187...

Re: Twitter applies 7-day suspension to half a dozen journalists

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> Update: Musk just weighed in on the suspensions, characterizing them as intentional. “Same doxxing rules apply to “journalists” as to everyone else,” he tweeted in a reply. > It’s worth noting that the policy these accounts violated, a prohibition against sharing “live location information,” is only 24 hours old. It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it c…

What is everyone up in arms for? This is a private company, so he can do whatever he wants. That is what everyone has been saying for years. I mean, it turns out they were wrong and Twitter was actually colluding with government agencies to bypass the first amendment. But censorship and targeted suspensions were defended tooth and nail by internet commenters. Is this a problem now only because people you like are tar…

By some internet commenters. Personally I found Twitters bans distasteful. Even if they could do it.

I also find Musk's bans distasteful. Even if he can do it.

Oh, and he's revealed himself to obviously be full of shit. As is anyone cheering him on in the name of free speech. But I guess principles only last until they get in the way of petty tribalism.

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post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a good rule. It was implemented for the sole reason of preventing people from saying where Elon Musk's private jet is, even though that is publicly available information by law.

And it was forseeable. People were joking that Musk was paying $40B to buy Twitter simply to just down the ElonJet account.

Which is hilarious because as I recall the account admin asked for something like $50k to shut it down…

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As an early Tesla investor (from early-mid 2010s), I find Elon's behaviour change over last 2-3 years pretty toxic and inhumane. From the days of fighting california for covid lockdowns to now hiding behind "free speech" doing whatever he wants anyways (which is sucking up to republicans and russians and who knows who else). I want to say this isn't 100% unexpected (some people show true behaviour openly only once th…

> I would even be ok with 50%-100% tax rate above 100 million dollars net worth. What is the rationale behind you think the bureaucrats with no skin-in-the-game would apply the money better than an entrepreneur and with more balance for society?

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> It seems like a good rule, but in this case the application of the rule seems less impersonal than it could be I don't think it seems like a good rule. Not only is the information public but I think it is not hard to dream up reasons why it would legitimately be in the public interest to report on the comings and goings of someone's private jet.

Public or not, it is a security concern, especially for a celebrity/politicized figure/widely hated person. I wouldn't want my live location posted on the internet either, and there's a lot fewer people who want to hurt me than Musk (AFAIK, no one wants to hurt me).

If Musk actually regarded flight tracking as a security risk, he would have signed up for the LADD program and restricted this info to FAA Source or added his aircraft to the Subscriber Level blocklist. He also could have requested a Privacy ICAO Address.

Any of these things would have put an actual stop to @elonjet, and the PIA solution would have prevented harassers from simply picking up with FlightRadar or any other tracking service.

The fact that he didn't do anything to increase his own security except for banning one of his company's users tells me this is not about personal security, but about exerting control over his company. That's his prerogative, but it's bizarre that he chooses to put up a facade instead of just adding "don't be an asshole to Elon" to the terms of service, which appears to be the actual endgame here.

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