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I have, actually. That's the part where I agree with you. The point at which I disagree is when you imply that this is somehow comparable to institutionalized slavery and Jim Crow laws.

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Many women also find symmetrical faces attractive, is that also akin to racism? What about a preference for a square jawline? Preference for thick hair?

Is it immoral (akin to racism) for women to have any preferences at all, or just regarding height?

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Please refresh on the HN guidelines - your comments on this page break almost every one of the guidelines in the first half dozen paragraphs of the "In comments" section. Thanks. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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I'm a short guy (5'6") married for nearly 2 decades to an even shorter woman (4'11"). Perhaps its easy for me to say it because I've beaten the odds, but it seems to me it would be better to die alone than to be in a shitty relationship or to be in a relationship with someone that thinks they are making a concession by dating a shorter person. People cannot help what they are/are not attracted to so I have no animosi…

It’s not beating the odds though. There’s countless millions of women around the world who would be thrilled to be dating a 5’6” American/imperial unit user. The problem only exists if you limit yourself arbitrarily to a very small pool of women having a particular nationality and skin color. 95% of women are not American. And only a very small percentage of those are gold diggers or mail order brides. The vast major…

>And only a very small percentage of those are gold diggers or mail order brides. The vast majority are just normal people with normal dreams of having a modest family.

I wasn't saying that all women are gold diggers or mail order brides. I was responding to a person saying that a short man struggling to find a long term relationship should look into those two options.

>It’s not beating the odds though.

I was mostly joking by this, although I have beaten the odds in other ways by being married to the same person for almost 20 years (at least by US standards).

>If someone is 5’6 and having trouble meeting someone, they should consider if their own criteria are irrational.

I agree.

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There are some good points here (stop listening to uptight young women), but you ruin it completely by essentially ending it with a less condescending version of "have sex incel", effectively making the entire comment a very lengthy filler until that point. But yes women aren't monotone, but that's not what these men are complaining about, it's the same complaint you may face as a female but instead it might be your…

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I wondered how someone so hostile could survive moderation here, so I looked at your comment history. It seems like your hostility started just 10 days ago, when you started posting things like:

> What the fuck kind of misanthropic sociopath are you?

> How disconnected from reality do you have to be for me to have to make this comparison explicit???

> Because you probably can't do anything other than voice your useless opinion.

What happened to make you so angry?

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Plenty of women don't care about that. Just stop using apps like Tinder, they attract the worst of the worst, by what I see, especially in the US. Even if you were above 6', you wouldn't want to date a woman obsessed with height. In my group of friends, the shorter ones (around 1,73m) are the most successful ones.

1,73m is oddly specific.

I mean, so is all of these inches. Why not just say 5 foot or 6 foot... Whole mixed unit is so oddly specific...

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Height, weight, shape, pilosity, generic looks, intelligence, education, success, wealth, virility, etc. are all criteria that are used by people to judge other people and discriminate , whether they're purely esthetic or have functional impact. Society also prizes different things in men and women. These are all forms of discrimination but I think it should be clear that they're nothing like the discrimination of bl…

I concede it's arguable which discrimination is of a bigger magnitude, but it doesn't matter. MLK's whole point was that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. That specifically means that no matter how small the injustice is, as long as it's the same class of injustice (prejudice), it's a threat to justice elsewhere.

> I concede it's arguable which discrimination is of a bigger magnitude

Unfortunately you conceded nothing and chose to maintain a position which you not only failed to support no matter how many times you tried, it's also either insulting, dismissive, or absurdly ignorant. If you have to wonder which discrimination is of higher magnitude, against black people or short people you clearly don't grasp the full extent of what discrimination can be. You fail to understand how magnitude makes these 2 cases far more different than the fact that they are "discrimination" makes them similar.

Quoting MLK after wondering which discrimination is bigger (against black people or against people who are 5'9") just adds insult to injury.

You seem convinced that having a hairy mole on your face is exactly like being black or jew as far as discrimination goes. That being rejected by a woman for the mole is the same as being rejected and punished by society for your skin color. Who's to know who suffered more? It's "arguable" because they are "the same class" after all, right? So I concede that you're far more willing to dig yourself in the deepest hole trying to defend an indefensible argument than to actually concede anything.

I'll tell you one thing, no matter how you look like, if people hate your character they might use whatever insult cuts you deeper rather than something they have a personal issue with. So if you do go around telling people being short is like being black and they pick on your height it could be that they have a problem with what you chose to be rather than what you are by nature.

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I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

> My advice to y’all is to get out of the sausage factory and start meeting some people in real life.

> It’s not women making you forever alone, it’s your monocausal mindset.

Agreed. Don't sell yourself short.

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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I’m not here to deny that short men face challenges, the same way that anyone with any characteristic deemed negative by the prevailing dating culture faces challenges (plenty of examples to choose from - age, weight, ethnicity, wealth, disability, education, class, caste, language). I am here, though, to throw cold water on the ridiculous borderline-incel hot takes from men here who have drawn a blank on dating site…

I'm starting to think that those "20% of the men get 80% of the women" statistics are actually a property of dating apps rather than the real world. When you think about the food industry it is convenient as hell but it is also bad for you over the long term. Dating apps are just like that. If you are lucky and you find someone good for you. If you stick around too long you are discovering the terrible business model…

wasn't there some research where women only rated top 20% men as attractive while men had a wider range.

If that's actually true then dating apps are just magnifying whats already there and aren't the cause of the phenomenon.

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> “Then I insert a rod — we call it a nail or a rod — that goes inside the bone. The rod is magnetic and it has gears. Then there’s an external device that communicates with the nail. And over time, little by little, it lengthens out the nail.” The lengthening happens gradually. “We usually say about a millimeter a day, until they get to their desired height.” The "external device that communicates with the nail" par…

I’ve had this surgery 4 times, and the latest was 2019 where I used this “external device”. It’s using magnetism to manipulate the nail. You place it over the right spot on your leg and it makes ‘back and forth, back and forth’ type noises. Definitely no internal computers involved.

Thanks for sharing! So the article stretched with "device that communicates".

Re: Limb lengthening surgery is becoming more popular

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Indeed, the basic promise of our social order is individual autonomy and self ownership. Body modification is an exercise is self ownership.

Obvioulsy it is, unless someone else ties you up and forces the surgery on you. What most commenters talk about here is a nuance in why person decides to have a surgery, though.

I'm simply pointing out that criticizing someone for electing to have cosmetic surgery is at odds with social values we (at least in the US) profess in other scenarios.
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