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Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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Most countries have many exceptions. A UK “tourist visa” is called a “Standard Visitor visa.” https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/... Remote working Visitors are permitted to undertake activities relating to their employment overseas remotely whilst they are in the UK, such as responding to emails or answering phone calls. However, you should check that the applicant’s main purpose of coming t…

"the applicant’s main purpose of coming to the UK is to undertake a permitted activity, rather than specifically to work remotely from the UK" That's doesn't seem like an exception? That sounds like saying "hey, I'm going to fly to the UK and work remotely from there" is against the law. What that paragraph says to me is "If someone comes to the UK as a visitor, and happens to do some work - responding to email and/o…

> That doesn’t seem like an exception?

The person I was responding to asked:

>> But isn’t it illegal to work on a tourist visa anyway?

It’s clear there are many ways it’s legal to be working in the UK on a Visiter visa. That doesn’t mean it’s ok to go if your only reason to be in the Uk is to be a remote worker for 90 days.

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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For sure - although it's always interesting to hear what people like or not about it, and how they work around issues like distractions/attention scatter and the pure "don't watch over my shoulder when I need to check HN". Maybe it all depends on personal sensitivity to such things and the ability to focus/zone in to the music, but that still feels like a coping mechanism rather than something that naturally comes to…

I think it depends a lot on your emotional approach to work. For me, I'm a decently good engineer, but at my heart I'm quite extroverted and the thing I like most about working is being around smart people and making friends and stuff. The engineering itself is not the core of my existence, it's getting to live the role of the engineer. I guess I also don't mind putting headphones on and focusing, and I really like g…

TL;DR: Try a “pair programming” company.

“don’t mind focusing [but] really like getting distracted out of that … interaction … helping … and stuff”

This sounds annoying to at least 50% of your peers, and destructive to focus for almost everyone.

Engineering (as opposed to, say, “coding” that just transcribes requirements into code) usually requires building systems in one’s mind then factoring them into well-architected structure and describing that literately in code. This is not a social hang-out (“hey, wassup, can I help w anything?”) activity.

Certainly system conception and architecture can happen great at a whiteboard, but the steps after that tend to go better focused, alternating with iterative collaborative feedback syncs that don’t break concentration for anyone in the system-to-literate-artifact time consuming phase.

Think 3 to 4 hour cycles: 2 to 3 hrs uninterrupted focus, 30 mins break, 30 mins collab for ideation and review, back into focus. Shorten either the morning or afternoon focus cycle depending when you focus most productively, allocate the extra to lunch/learn/whatever. 2x3hrs+1hr lunch = 30 hr work, 5 hrs lunch, per week. Beyond that you probably don’t engineer productively and should enjoy non workplace environments to recharge / defrag.

Since focus time is the phase with most time, it means at any given moment most people need library quiet, and the reflective syncs should be elsewhere.

- Privacy by default with collab spaces allows focus and interaction, without interaction annoying or destructive to anyone. (It’s by-and-large only annoying to (a) profit-over-productivity accountants who think it’s expensive, (b) micro-managers who adore management by walking around, aka getting paid executive pay to chit chat everyone’s focus away, and (c) people who haven’t yet learned how to deep focus consistently.)

- Collab by default without (or with only limited) private focus space prevents this beyond whatever threshold of private space availability. That said, allowing people to pick their own work-start times helps distribute focus and collab usage. The less private space, the more flexible working hours and location must be.

Effectively zero people can translate systems to code while “human-interacting and helping people and such” the way you describe, advocating for that as default is literally counter productivity.

There’s a solution though: devs craving continuous interaction can seek out a company (correctly) believing in “XP” aka eXtreme Programming or paired programming. In this model, the default private spaces have two engineers who program symbiotically. Research suggests 1+1 = 2.5 or 3 or more. For some problems, 10x.

Not only co-thinkers thrive in XP. Standard deviations of engineers need fewer iterations till correctness, meaning, produce higher quality faster. It’s been shown this helps introverted thinkers too, even if they only pair with a rubber duck to explain their thinking aloud to!

Re: Airbnb’s design to live and work anywhere

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>> I think this is a genius move for Airbnb. Make it easier for _other_ companies to operate in a similar way so that _their_ employees can travel and live in an... Airbnb! Yes. Like the story of Ford doubling the wages it paid to factory workers in 1920s. So that those workers could afford a car, and the whole economy eventually followed suit.

That story isn't true. The reason why wages/bonuses were raised/introduced by Ford is because of turnover.

I get that this story may be apocryphal, but if so it is surely widely disseminated by now. I even wondered about factuality as I wrote my comment, yet I knew of no evidence to the contrary.

You didn't provide any substantial counterpoint. So what was the point you were making?

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> I think everyone wins here. The airline industry surely will. The environment likely won't. (But who cares about a few polar bears if you can just work from Shanghai for a few weeks, right? /s)

Does the environment really lose? Along with this comes the reduction of commuting. Curious to see how the math works out on that one.

Hm, I don't think one should be contrasted with the other. That is, WFH somewhere in your home city is independent of traveling the world. We can promote the former without encouraging the latter, but Airbnb is mostly doing the latter. (It's their business model after all to provide services for people who do not stay at home.)

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Taxing consumption instead of investments and savings seems like it would guide society more towards saving and investment instead of short-term consumption, though, no? Personally I'd rather not have taxes at all, but if you forced me to pick on of the three I'd pick consumption every time.

how do you want to pay for roads?

A congestion tax

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Road_pricing#Impact

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Taxing consumption instead of investments and savings seems like it would guide society more towards saving and investment instead of short-term consumption, though, no? Personally I'd rather not have taxes at all, but if you forced me to pick on of the three I'd pick consumption every time.

how do you want to pay for roads?

Tolls. Privatize the roads.

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>without taking a huge pay cut ;), more vacation days and only 35hour/week Would you mind sharing in which area) industry one can get such a good deal in Germany? All i found was 40h/week, some with overtime.

The 35h workweek is quite common in companies with an "IG Metal Tarifvertrag" in place, most companies in the automotive industry and their supplying industries provide such contracts, but also a lot of medium size companies... Don't expect FANG salaries ;)

Aren't those IG Metal companies shit in the SW dev department due to outdated mentality thanks to German boomer management, heavily birocratic, with poor pay?

I'm asking since the companies in Austria with IG Metal equivalent are terrible in those regards: poor pay for SW devs as their main money making products are some automotive/mechanical widgets instead of SW, boomer management insists on commuting to the office to some remote village because if the guys in the machine shop need to be in the office to do their work then so should the devs and everyone else, outdated SW, tooling and dev practices, poor equipment (some cheapo underpowered Dell/HP/Lenovo bogged down by corporate spyware that the pensioners in IT insists everyone must have, including SW devs).

Kinda confusing to me, since you said you're getting nearly swiss money and it's not what I imagine at IG Metal companies :)

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I like that he specifically mentioned open floor plans. This is the number one reason why I don't want to return to the office. I kinda do want to go back. But I need my privacy and some quiet. I can't do the open floor plan ever again.

I have been blessed to have a private office for the first 10 years of my career and wfh the last 10. Neither is perfect and I’d really like to work from an office 1-2 days per week. If I did, I wouldn’t mind open plan tbh. The whole reason to come in one day per week would be to be interrupted and interrupt others. And meetings. I still have 4 days for focus work, it would be ok. Going to be office to sit alone used…

2016 to 2018 I was at a company where most of the office was in person, but I was allowed hybrid unofficially. I'd end up coming in on most days, but usually around 11 or 12. And I'd occasionally leave early. When I was in the office I cherished seeing my coworkers, socializing, and solving problems together. I think that was my ideal work arrangement. Now I'm fully remote but it feels like I'm just paying the rent on my own office space. I'm chained to my desk for video calls and frequent Teams pings. My office is 2hrs away and I can't just go in. There's almost no camaraderie on the team. People do their jobs and log off. Not even basic water cooler discussion type stuff.

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That story isn't true. The reason why wages/bonuses were raised/introduced by Ford is because of turnover.

I get that this story may be apocryphal, but if so it is surely widely disseminated by now. I even wondered about factuality as I wrote my comment, yet I knew of no evidence to the contrary. You didn't provide any substantial counterpoint. So what was the point you were making?

>I get that this story may be apocryphal, but if so it is surely widely disseminated by now. I even wondered about factuality as I wrote my comment, yet I knew of no evidence to the contrary.

You'd be hard pressed to provide a search pattern in any search engine that would provide a top 5 result that isn't about Ford wage raises in 1914 being about anything else than worker retention.

> You didn't provide any substantial counterpoint. So what was the point you were making?

Nor did you provide any substantial point. What is it with double standards today? My point was that you are spreading falsehoods.

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I work at Automattic (no proper offices, fully remote), which (pre-pandemic) does meetups once or twice per year per team, plus one for the whole company. Meetups are typically a week long. I’ve had the chance to visit Lisbon, Hawaii, and soon Cancun on the company’s dime, so I can’t see a world where I am upset about “having” to attend these trips :) I recognize that kids makes it difficult. And there are also folks…

I think the sweet spot would be quarterly weekly meet-ups for culture building which occurs during normal hours from 9am-5pm and occur at the local office versus some "get away" all inclusive conference center where there is a packed schedule of 24/7 culture building (aka drinking, etc.) from 8am-11pm. If its during normal work hours - employees with kids can live within 1-2 hours can suffer the commute for a week ev…

The problem with this is that as companies go further and further remote, there’s no such thing as “the local office.” My team is in multiple countries, let alone multiple cities or towns in the same country. Forcing people to still live within commute distance of the office just for four events a year seems pretty restrictive. Currently, I could move anywhere in the world (assuming I could get a visa), and it’d work out. Or more reasonably, I can follow my wife for her career in health care to a different city. Or I could move back to the east coast US to be closer to family. All without changing jobs, teams, and especially pay. I think that freedom is pretty huge, and definitely understated if moving is a serious possibly in one’s life.
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