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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by dukoid »

rightbyte wrote: post #591
dukoid wrote: post #461

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Many people also did not care about Georgia. So while cultural proximity is certainly a factor, geographical proximity seems to be a significant factor, too. I don't think Sreberenica is forgotten or was ignored in Europe. The West seems to be slow to wake up -- and Putin got high on his sequence of "successful" wars. I don't want to deny that hypocrisy exists here, but it doesn't justify Putins crimes anywhere.

This is way worse than Georgia, Krim and Chechnya combined. Ukraine is a big country with a big army. The stakes Russia are putting in are big and shows the commitment with the pretense of being cornered. It is a full invasion. Also the NATO and EU military support in what Russia sees as their business is escalating the risks. This is probably two magnitudes worse concerning the risk for further spread.

I think it's important to distinguish Putin and Russia here. I don't think Russia sees Ukraine as their business.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by codebolt »

c-c-c-c-c wrote: post #639
wwilim wrote: post #414

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or you could just talk to your kids about it, spend time with them and help them find something more worthwhile to do

Why do that when you can make sure to undermine their trust in you :)

Are you guys even parents? Because you sure make yourselves sound like experts.

The truth is I know my kids will make absolutely terrible choices if I leave everything up to them. I myself made a lot of bad choices growing up with unsupervised internet access. And on todays web it seems the pitfalls for a curious young person are even deeper and more plentiful. I'm simply trying to spare my kids some of the same problems I suffered by providing some guardrails until they are older and more mature.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by 5ESS »

adriancr wrote: post #574
5ESS wrote: post #169

Could I (US citizen) get in trouble for providing free VPNs to Russian nationals? Would these Russians get in trouble for using my US based VPN? I want to support Russians during this difficult time but I don’t want them to get in trouble. I disagree with sanctioning and punishing ordinary citizens for the actions of the rich and powerful 1%. Imagine how it feel being a US citizen and getting punished for Donald Trum…

> Could I (US citizen) get in trouble for providing free VPNs to Russian nationals? Yes if they do anything illegal and it's traced to your account. > Would these Russians get in trouble for using my US based VPN? Maybe, depends on laws in Russia. > I want to support Russians during this difficult time How about Ukrainians?

> Yes if they do anything illegal and it's traced to your account.

Since when are VPN operators held accountable for their user’s actions? There are plenty of free VPNs out there. We don’t hold Cloudflare responsible when someone makes a death threat using it’s free Warp VPN. Because that makes no sense. If someone committed a crime using my VPN the Netflow /backbone transit logs would prove I didn’t do it and the case against me would be thrown out.

> How about Ukrainians?

They are already getting plenty of support and don’t need VPNs because their internet isn’t censored.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by poushkar »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #544
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #526

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"We" did not escalate this; Russia did by annexing Crimea in 2014 and invading Ukraine. They could have chosen not to do so and instead focus on building up good international relationships. What did they think they had to gain from annexing neighbouring territory? More control over the Black Sea I guess, but why do they want that control in the first place? Russia can de-escalate by withdrawing. The only way for 'th…

From Russia’s point of view, they had many reasons to annex Crimea. It wasn’t just a random act of aggression. Having studied this situation a bit, my conclusion is that both sides are to blame, with Russia being considerably more culpable due to choosing the violent option. Geopolitics isn’t simple and thinking that one side is entirely to blame is just naive and falling for propaganda. By escalation I’m referring t…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Putinversteher

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by app4soft »

poushkar wrote: post #702

I disagree with your perspective that regular Russians don't share the responsibility for the war in Ukraine. I don't think it makes sense to copy-paste it here, it's on my blog: http://nywkap.com/politics/russian-responsibility.html

I fully agree agree with You.

All Russians are responsible for ongoing war[0] at least for they did nothing to stop Russia gov & Putin from enforcing aggression on Ukraine.

N.B. I'm Ukrainian living in Ukraine. Here is my statement for HN:[1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30395897

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by codebolt »

KJBweb wrote: post #200
codebolt wrote: post #131

I'm guessing I can't rely on the Kaspersky software I have on my phones to stay in service. It's a shame, SafeKids has really been helpful in monitoring my kids.

Kaspersky software is widely believed to be Russian spyware, of which western governments have banned the use of within their infrastructure. I wouldn't be putting their software on mine or my childrens devices that's for sure. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaspersky_bans_and_allegations...

Thanks, then it looks like I have even one more reason to drop them. Will uninstall this evening.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by HWR_14 »

CalRobert wrote: post #563
wnkrshm wrote: post #400

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I've been reading up on the history of the Bosnian genocide, I should probably also read up on Czechnya. I really hope that Ukraine won't go down like Czechnya but I fear in the end, Putin only knows one trick.

At least he didn't blow up apartment buildings in Russia and blame it on Ukraine.

He didn't need to actually blow anything up anymore. Since then he's consolidated control over the media. He's already able to push whatever propagandized story he needs.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by usrusr »

alangibson wrote: post #408
dragonwriter wrote: post #393

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> expanding up to its doorstep NATO started out bordering Russia, it hasn't “expanded up to it's doorstep”. Get a map and a list of the original NATO countries.

How about "increasing KM of shared borders" which is actually what matters anyway.

And currently Putin is trying to do exactly this, increasing the number of km of shared borders.

Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by [deleted] »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #620
CyberSimon wrote: post #567

Are any countries accepting refuges from Russia that seek asylum? I know some Russians that are wholly against their Government's actions. I hope some provisions are being made to allow those who wish escape to do so...

>Are any countries accepting refuges from Russia that seek asylum? This is an important topic. Some EU countries like Czechia are even blocking visas for Russian citizens now and I think this will be a trend in other EU countries. AFAIK, since Russia is the aggressor here and is (on paper) a democratic country (but not really), then its citizens are not considered yet victims of the war, and are most likely not falli…

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Re: Tell HN: If You Are in Russia

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Post by denis1 »

ceilingcorner wrote: post #544
Cthulhu_ wrote: post #526

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"We" did not escalate this; Russia did by annexing Crimea in 2014 and invading Ukraine. They could have chosen not to do so and instead focus on building up good international relationships. What did they think they had to gain from annexing neighbouring territory? More control over the Black Sea I guess, but why do they want that control in the first place? Russia can de-escalate by withdrawing. The only way for 'th…

From Russia’s point of view, they had many reasons to annex Crimea. It wasn’t just a random act of aggression. Having studied this situation a bit, my conclusion is that both sides are to blame, with Russia being considerably more culpable due to choosing the violent option. Geopolitics isn’t simple and thinking that one side is entirely to blame is just naive and falling for propaganda. By escalation I’m referring t…

> From Russia’s point of view, they had many reasons to annex Crimea.

Oh they sure did, and all of them were of the militaristic and imperialistic variety.

> Having studied this situation a bit, my conclusion is that both sides are to blame

How can Ukraine/the West possibly be responsible for Russia launching an imperialistic annexation war? Nothing can excuse that.

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