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I wonder who are people more afraid of exposing their private information to: the USA or their own government.
> I wonder who are people more afraid of exposing their private information to: the USA or their own government. The USA, because, at least in principle, every individual has some manner of influence over his own government.
I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…
If these companies end up banned in Europe, that's not really a problem from Europe's PoV. Europe may end up deciding that US companies not coming is a problem in itself, but that is already the case imo.
Honestly, if this policy is actually enforced, it's very hard to imagine how the landscape would shift. Maybe Europe would be brought to its heels, and be forced to remove the law. On the other hand, maybe the US would be forced to renounce their cloud act, which is a large part of Europe's privacy issues with US companies. A third path could be companies reverse-incorporating in some place that would let them keep in business.
It's a bit hard to predict honestly.
I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…
> It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe And even then it seems risky the EU will deem the business model entirely in violation of privacy laws. It's very chilling When the EU finally completes their utopian/dystopian ideas of privacy from foreign Internet services, the great firewall of Europe, perhaps then EU regulators will look inward and do the same things? But for now it all has the appe…
It's not Europe who blocks anybody, but plenty of US websites just blanket-block EU visitors because they can't be arsed to create a GDPR compliant website.
Which, as a European, in practice feels like running into a great American firewall.
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Are you afraid USA would drone strike or disappear you if they get to your private data? Do you think that is a valid concern for most people?
It's by far much more likely than my own government doing anything close to it yes.
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So what primary key does WideAngle use to track users across sessions? It mentions anonymised IP? Isn't that what Google do? You mention you store anonymised IP's "Unlike some other vendors, our anonymization process is not reversible.", what is the methodology here?
Since most people are still on ipv4, does this even mean anything? You'd need the salt stored in some way to reproduce hashes at all, and creating 4 billion hashes to find an ip won't take any meaningful amount of time. Even with a high cost algorithm, if the government requires finding the ip (because honestly Google wouldn't care here, the unique identifier is what they need), they'll be able to find it. If it's a…
The random component prevents that. And yes, there is a trust component. You have to trust that we discard these salts after 24h. We operate in Germany in a legal framework that allows you to sue us if we mislead you. So at a certain point, technology must make place for the legal system.
Because salt is rotated every few hours, never more than 24h, we can, with sufficient probability, determine that two requests are from the same visit/session. So have indication of new/unique visit in short window. Not days, but hours.
If you were to transmit a parameter that additionally attached Personal Data (email, User ID) to that session, then that becomes identifiable and is no longer anonymous. But that is strictly AT YOUR DISCRETION. And we NEVER share it with anyone but you. You will also need to inform your guest, that you associate personal data and ask for consent. But until you do, we cannot identify anyone after the salts cycle.
I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…
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I can tell you that there's a deep-seated suspicion in the US that for France, much of GDPR's purpose is about enabling protectionism. The logic is understandable. Surely, if you just get rid of the abusive American monopolies the home-grown companies will take their rightful places... right?
That doesn't seem to be true though. There are multiple countries outside the EU that have an adequacy decisions regarding their privacy laws like: Japan, South Korea, Canada, UK, Isreal, etc. They can host EU data without issues. The only reason the privacy shield agreement was thrown out was due to lack of safe guards from US intelligence. Even without the privacy shield, US companies would still be able to store E…
The US does not have to give anything in return to get all the private data from EU they want.
The EU in return gets...nothing.
If you are a politician this is not a great position, you get no money, no jobs and no data.
If they equalize data access, "data sharing" (on an intelligence and on a commerical level) could be a valuable component of future negotiations.
I think we (in the EU) will soon realise the bizarre consequences of these regulations. European startups will not be able to use standard SaaS or PaaS tools (like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc) if they are based in the US (like most of them are). No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. It will take forever to build up a similar ecosystem in Europe and I think most successful European entrepreneurs…
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Simple. If you have a free market, I would just use competing services instead of the "Chinese" ones. No one is forced to use TikTok. If people really wanted a privacy focused service, a new one will arrive. DuckDuckGo's success is an example of that. imo it's just a thinly veiled protectionist law that will fracture the internet all for the sake of propping up EU incumbents who can't innovate.
> No one is forced to use TikTok. TikTok was nearly forced to sell parts of its operation so it could continue operating in the US, in India it's actually banned. > DuckDuckGo's success is an example of that. As good as DDG is, it's not that great of an example as all the background tech there still relies on Microsoft's Bing, which means there is very much a US-centric search engine monopoly in place. > that will fr…
Yes, that's a great example of protectionism that was reversed.
> As good as DDG is, it's not that great of an example as all the background tech there still relies on Microsoft's Bing, which means there is very much a US-centric search engine monopoly in place.
DDG is not the only privacy focused search service. There are others with their own homegrown search engines. I believe some of them are French. This also reflects consumer demand. DDG only able to evolve and grow based on how many people want to use the service.
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> like AWS, Azure, Mailchimp, PayPal etc [...] No cloud services, no Office 365 or Google Workspace. Maybe an unpopular opinion, but imho AWS, GCP and Azure are popular with startups because of their generous free credits, not because they are good tools for startups. As a startup you are typically better served by a DigitalOcean-level of complexity, and there are plenty of such offers in the EU (Hetzner Cloud, Grids…
> As a startup you are typically better served by a DigitalOcean-level of complexity, and there are plenty of such offers in the EU (Hetzner Cloud, Gridscale, OVH, etc) As an actual startup founder who started as a 1 man startup, strongly disagree. Spent maybe $200 a month on Google Cloud, got an actual production ready cluster. Scaled up to Millions in revenue, never had to deal with any Linux Server admin BS. More…
Managed K8s. Openstack.
When we started paying for it, it was still cheaper than AWS.
Just because AWS is the default, does not mean you should use it.