So, it isn't a problem if you just use Linux on your Dell XPS, right?
Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#712I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…
I mean, I know it's too late to help you, but running "powercfg.exe /lastwake" after a windows computer wakes from standby will tell you exactly what woke it up, if it knows. I've never had it return with "unknown" once in over a decade, but some people I know have. if you can find all the things waking the computer, and fix those things, it will never wake without user intervention. usually, for me, it's been device…
A new wake-up reason might get installed in the future. Instead I found some powershell code ages ago, created a `nap` function in my $profile, and set the option to not allow waking it from sleep:
# load assembly System.Windows.Forms which will be used
Add-Type -AssemblyName System.Windows.Forms
# set powerstate to suspend (sleep mode)
$PowerState = [System.Windows.Forms.PowerState]::Suspend;
# do not force putting Windows to sleep
$Force = $false;
# don't allow the computer to be woken by devices or tasks (e.g. windows updates)
$DisableWake = $true;
# do it! Set computer to sleep
[System.Windows.Forms.Application]::SetSuspendState($PowerState, $Force, $DisableWake) | Out-Null;Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#713Earlier quoted context omitted.
The probability of the issue happening seems to be meaningfully far less on certain operating systems than others.
I don't see how you can possibly make any meaningful conclusions about relative probability from this thread.
It is not from this thread, but my experience over the last 15 to 20 years. I have seen lots and lots of people, including myself, close MacBook lids, toss it in a bag, and start walking. But I do not see that with non MacBooks. It was so notable to me that it led me to decide to look into switching to MacBook Airs.
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#714You’d think companies could at least keep things the same instead of making it actively worse. Laptops sleeping is largely a solved problem
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Writing this from my 2019 XPS 15 7590 i9 with (extended) 64 GB RAM. The OLED display quality is still the best any laptop can offer, but that's where it ends. Had countless issues with sleep, reboots after being "killed in sleep" for going over Windows sleep "battery drain limit" (can be increased in registry but hey), wifi/bt issues after wake-up, short battery endurance, fan noise (mitigated by undervolting w/ Thro…
I'll chime in as well from my 2020 XPS 17. This issue is incredibly frustrating. It's worth switching over, however I don't really know where to go for a premium laptop. I'm not very interested in a Mac. HP and Lenovo have given me tons of problems in the past (which is why I switched to Dell). From this thread it seems like several other vendors have similar problems to this Dell one. What options are there?
Have you considered Framework? They're laptops are almost completely modular. The problem with laptops is that they don't have a dedicated GPU yet. But they're otherwise interesting.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#716I had a Dell XPS 9310 until about 3 months ago when suddenly one of the fans died on me for no obvious reasons while I was in quarantine. Given that the fans are now soldered onto the mainboard, Dell was offering me to repair this for almost the same amount I paid for the whole laptop 2 years earlier. Needless to say that this was the last time I will buy a Dell. Since I am located in Asia, I also went to one of the…
Anecdotally, I know three people including myself who’ve had ASUS machines die on them right out of warranty protection, and I do not recommend them at all.
And here I just posted a comment in an unrelated thread about my Asus laptop from a decade ago still going strong: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28648872
For me it's Acer users that always have defects on their laptops. Someone else I know swears by Toshiba. Given how many different opinions there are out there, I feel like we just can't tell which brands are good without doing actual research, and probably we'd have to segregate by things like price band or series and perhaps even by year as teams or executives come and go.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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Should airplanes forbid PC laptops? It’s more serious than laptops committing suicide in bags. It’s, anything with a high-energy battery can short itself and cause a fire. Worse, it could be malware or hardware. At this point I am surprised the vulnerability hasn’t been used by anyone.
Airplanes have bags/boxes to throw li-ion batteries into and extinguish any particular fire. The law is that you can only bring aboard Li-ion batteries of size 100 watt-hrs or smaller on any airplane ( https://www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/... ). I think the airline crews are confident they can handle 100 watt-hours worth of burning, but no more than that!
You can't extinguish a lithium ion battery fire by smothering it. The fire creates its own oxygen. You can contain the fire, and you can immerse it in enough water that it cools below the burning temperature and shorts out through the water.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#718I stopped using my Microsoft Surface Pro because it had the same issues. It's a clusterfuck of bad design decisions at Microsoft, the most offensive one being that they prioritize the execution of their scheduled spyware upload (telemetry) over honoring the agreement with the user that a sleeping PC will remain asleep unless the user takes action. It'll even install updates at night and then make reboot sounds to wak…
I've owned both a Microsoft Surface laptop and currently own an XPS 15. Both of them I have had the same thing happen where they are in "sleep" mode and have woken up. I'll have them in a bag and open them up and it's really cooking inside the laptop sleeve and the laptop and bag are quite warm. Honestly the amount of heat there I wouldn't be surprised if there have been fires from this kind of stuff.
Basically if I know I won't be using my laptop for a bit and am putting it in a bag I always make sure to turn it off now.
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#719Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is the literal reason I switched to OSX. I dislike the impractical design of Macbooks - horrible connectivity and no way to swap batteries. However the combination of 15 hrs battery life + closing the lid and it not melting a hole in my bag trumps any negatives.
"Not melting a hole" Ha! While not related to the bag issue, I had a 15" MBP literally catch fire in my bed while I was asleep. I fell asleep wat hing Netflix or some such and the macbook caught fire and woke me up. It was in the recall batch for batteries at that time. I took it to apple flagship SF store. They had the FN machine for two months then came back and said that at some point the moisture sensor went off…
Did you say that water was the reason the fire didn’t spread? If so, I’d love to hear how they “proved” it got wet before the fire started.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#720I own XPS 13 9380 with Windows 10. Same mess with the sleep. I have to carry the laptop in the bag when commuting. You never know what it is doing when lid is closed. There is no lights on the laptop to indicate its state so I just usually put it to my ear and listen until the fan goes off after closing the lid. Then it is semi safe to put it into the bag. Feels like stone age. Things are just getting worse with Wind…
My sample size is 1, but so far I am not impressed that my wife's M1 MBP didn't last more than 4 months before needing a full mainboard replacement. She's not a power-user and I would expect a "pro" laptop to be more resilient than this (even in the exceptional cases).