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Post by Izkata »

chillwaves wrote: post #687
Izkata wrote: post #668

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> It's going to be the defining event of trump's presidency, whether you think that's fair or not Trump's approval is not the lowest it's been during his presidency - it was lower in Dec 2017 [0], and even now at 39.2% it's almost twice that of Congress [1] at 20%. It doesn't seem to have hurt him all that much. If you look at favorability rather than job approval, it even seems to be almost unchanged [2], only havin…

So you just get to pick and choose which polling to use?

The first one is an aggregate, the second and third were just among the top of my Google results (and CNN has been pretty biased against Trump for his whole presidency), and I do specifically call out Rasmussen.

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dragonwriter wrote: post #680
Izkata wrote: post #668

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> It's going to be the defining event of trump's presidency, whether you think that's fair or not Trump's approval is not the lowest it's been during his presidency - it was lower in Dec 2017 [0], and even now at 39.2% it's almost twice that of Congress [1] at 20%. It doesn't seem to have hurt him all that much. If you look at favorability rather than job approval, it even seems to be almost unchanged [2], only havin…

> Trump's approval is not the lowest it's been during his presidency In the Gallup poll it is [0], in the particular weighting and aggregation used by 538 it is not. > it's almost twice that of Congress Congress isn't a person, it's an aggregate, for which any voter will not have had a voice in selecting 532 of 535 voting members. Comparison of Congress’s approval ratings to the President’s are meaningless, and only…

I can't discount Rasmussen completely, because their presidential polling was among the most accurate in both 2016 and 2020.

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Post by boomboomsubban »

rj_kidwin wrote: post #624
dragonwriter wrote: post #589

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> Parler has been, for all intents and purposes, killed. Parler wasn't “killed” because planning took place there, but because they were openly at least unable if not actually unwilling to take action against a huge backlog of specific problem identified to them; the problem was current and forward, not retrospective.

Amazon has stated that it warned Parler for months without redress, but to offer another perspective, the CEO of Parler stated in an interview that they were notified the day before they got the plug pulled, sought to work with AWS on solving the issue, then were "deplatformed" the following day. He said she said, but obviously both sides are incentivized to make themselves look clean

Though I doubt that Parler has many employees, it seems unlikely the emails from your hosting company would be read by the CEO. It's entirely possible both people are telling the truth.

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Post by dmingod666 »

hetspookjee wrote: post #104
bananabreakfast wrote: post #71

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It's chilling how quickly radical terrorist groups have coalesced around using social media to coordinate their hatred and their attacks. A scant few years ago, America actively fought terrorists instead of encouraging and facilitating them.

Off topic but I'm having increasingly more difficulty with the term Terrorist. How'd you call American intrusions in sovereign states? Just somewhat recently the drone strike of the General Soleimani on sovereign grounds were an act of terrorism if perceived through the eyes of most Iranians, and possibly Iraqis as the strike was on their ground. Terrorist is a term that is stretched and applied beyond meaning.

See, the general assumption is. If its a white rich nation (except Russia) doing something, its moral. If its a rich ally of the said nations, its moral.

I doesn't matter what they do, commit war-crimes, liberate people from democracy(to free the people) and install dictators, fund terrorists, lie to the international community about wars, kill people in embassies, it doesn't matter. It is you who are at fault, for not being able to understand their deeper moral motives.

Everything that the enemy does, that is either illegal or it's just lies and propaganda to improve their image. They can do nothing right.

Now, With this context you can understand very clearly how to think and feel about who the terrorists are and who the bad guys are.

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Post by jacquesm »

koolba wrote: post #634
jacquesm wrote: post #511

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There was an excellent article by someone from a place where a failed coup led to a real one a couple of years hence. Democracy is not 'intact', it is now damaged, and whether or not manage to repair it remains to be seen. The most dangerous thing you can do now is to think this is behind you and from here on in everything is normal. It isn't and it probably won't be for some time. If you manage the next two transfer…

The only worse than the the content of that link was the writing style.

Thank you for your contribution. Note the error in the one line comment you made.

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Post by gwright »

jackson1442 wrote: post #601
zarkov99 wrote: post #338

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What would you call the Capital Hill Autonomous Zone if not an attempt at insurrection? Come on, can we have some intellectual honesty here? Both situations sucked, the people involved sucked, their reasoning sucked and they should all go to jail so that sane people can get back to their lives in peace. We are being forced into building absurd logical houses of cards just so we do not concede an inch to the other sid…

If we're being binary, yes, both situations sucked. For some reason, most arguments I see regarding this fail to even see the slightest shade of gray. I, for one, believe that taking over a city block and declaring it an autonomous zone is significantly less concerning than attempting to stop the presidential election -- arguably the single most important piece of our democracy -- from happening, calling for the deat…

I don't understand the need to rank violent events. Outrage against these violent events isn't a zero sum game that requires us to pick and choose between them.

Vandalism, trespassing, arson, assault, and so on can and should be prosecuted because they are crimes. Full stop. The ideological motivation of the perpetrators should be irrelevant with respect to prosecuting the crimes.

I do realize that the impact and repercussions of the events is certainly a point for debate, but that seems orthogonal to the immediate and critical goal of keeping the peace.

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Post by exporectomy »

JohnBooty wrote: post #107
beefee wrote: post #45

It's chilling how quickly the tech industry has coalesced around oppressive and biased social media censorship policies. A scant few years ago, the tech industry was a beacon of free expression.

It's chilling how quickly misinformation merchants, hostile foreign agents, and other bad actors coalesced around using popular mainstream social media as the world's most effective megaphone. A scant few years ago, they lacked a direct communications channel by which they could radicalize the average American.

How can you explain the radical leftists of the 1960's then? Somehow the Russians (Soviets) must have (I assume you believe it was caused by them) had a communications channel by which they could radicalize all those college students.

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Post by hooande »

wdn wrote: post #642
Railsify wrote: post #540

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Members of Congress will use this event as a catalyst for fundraising, soon after the election they will draft legislation that threatens to control and/or regulate the tech giants. Shortly after that the lobbyists representing Big Tech get wind of this new legislation on the horizon and donations will flow like a river to the PACs and re-election campaigns, then the proposed legislation will be shelved.

If you see how much wealth the politicians, especially the one holding important position, you see why they want the job for a merely $200,000 a year. Clinton and Obama got very wealth after their presidency. Pelosi wealth goes up many fold for becoming speaker of the house. Not only their wealth go up, everyone around them got a lot wealthier too.

Fame has a direct financial value. Any US president is among the most famous and well known people on earth.

trump will make more money from speaking appearances than he did from any of his businesses over the last several decades

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Post by nl »

throwaway316943 wrote: post #466
afavour wrote: post #353

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You don’t need the guns if you have people on the inside. And a good number of the rioters seemed really quite surprised when law enforcement fought back against them. After all, they were carrying Blue Lives Matter flags, surely the cops are on their side! (and besides, there were a good number of people with guns at the protest. And some others brought pipe bombs. Thankfully neither ended up being a factor but no o…

Doesn’t add up. How are you going to hold the Capitol or any hostages without weapons?

The QAnon "storm" narrative revolved around unnamed "true patriots" within some unnamed national security service rising up to overthrow the corrupt.. something.

Or at least that's the common interpretation of QAnon ramblings.

But the point is that there wasn't any centralised leadership plotting this. There was some groups (who did have weapons) who were absolutely planning this, but the protestors in general was much more decentralized in purpose and method.

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