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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by mehrdadn »

mrkurt wrote: post #634
mehrdadn wrote: post #563

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I have no context on this, but just reading that sentence, why wouldn't a budget cut raise response times? Is there context that suggests they're lying?

It wasn't an actual budget cut, it was a cut to a proposed future budget.

Huh, interesting. I was presuming the police department propose their budget and then the city alters/approves it as they see fit. If they lower it then that would be fairly accurately described as "cutting money from their proposed budget". Is that different from how it works here?

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Post by lovehashbrowns »

yyyk wrote: post #646
zouhair wrote: post #163

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It's actually worse than that. Even in the killing of Floyd the Police claimed he resisted arrest, which was a lie[0], the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that killed him (despite all the videos) and a private autopsy found that's not true[1]. They did all this amidst a huge public outcry, what do you think happens to some poor schmuck when no camera is around. Like this[2] and this[3]......... EDIT: Here is one wher…

"the coroner said it wasn't asphyxia that killed him (despite all the videos) and a private autopsy found that's not true[1]." The county coroner's report was technically true in a way meant to imply a false result. Floyd didn't die from lack of airflow, he died because the knee stopped blood flow to the brain, that is the brain couldn't receive Oxygen despite the body being able to breath. The county coroner careful…

You are correct. I found this great analysis of the official report: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egRf84EqaJI

The autopsy was purposely vague so as to give as much leeway as possible to the police.

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Post by lovehashbrowns »

jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

You are absolutely correct. A lot of these protests start out peacefully and are then instigated by police.

Here's a video of the Seattle police instigating violence: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seattle/comments/gv0ru3/this_is_the...

A cop felt so threatened by a pink umbrella that he just had to have it, at all costs.

I've been watching (and attending) a lot of the Portland protests and it's the same story here. Peaceful protesters, violent police. They're all fully geared and armed, and yet feel threatened by water bottles being thrown at them. They feel so threatened by the people that just having protesters get close to a fence around the Justice Center will cause police to start firing rubber bullets, flash bangs, smoke bombs, and tear gas at unarmed and unprotected protesters. Police feel so threatened by unarmed protesters that they now need the help of fully-armed, fully-geared, completely decked-out national guard. This is an embarrassment for police.

Not that any of this is a surprise, anyway. A police officer felt so threatened by an unarmed, handcuffed black man that the had to murder the unarmed, handcuffed black man.

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Post by panny »

pbourke wrote: post #708
panny wrote: post #687

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>I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests You do see a difference in the protests, right? The protests against lockdowns didn't include looting, arson, rape, murder, and multiple murdered police. Here, have a small sample, Black pawn shop employee murdered by looters for TVs https://www.youtube.…

> Protesters set homeless man’s belongings on fire This was staged by infowars. I cannot be arsed to look at all of your videos. The right wing lockdown protests had a strong smell of AstroTurf about them: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/21/us/politics/coronavirus-p...

>I cannot be arsed to look at all your videos

Oh well, I guess black lives don't actually matter to you then, because the video I lead with is a real black man who really died.

https://fox6now.com/2020/06/02/police-retired-st-louis-polic...

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Post by chalst »

luckylion wrote: post #704
strken wrote: post #530

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The state's power is not just fear alone, it's legitimacy. What stops people from looting under normal circumstances is the belief that looting is wrong and will be punished, and people will agree punishment was justified . Failing to respond to looting damages the state's legitimacy. Responding to looting and failing to stop it damages the state's legitimacy. Even responding to looting and successfully stopping it d…

Oh, absolutely, but there are different levels of damage. Germany has an issue with criminal clans from the Middle East, our law enforcement system isn't equipped to deal with them and our laws in general aren't either. The approach is pretty much "try not to engage", because while it's damaging to have "extended families" with hundreds of members where basically everyone of them has a criminal record, the other opti…

> Germany has an issue with criminal clans from the Middle East, our law enforcement system isn't equipped to deal with them and our laws in general aren't either.

There is a big disconnect between the crime statistics in Germany, that show low crime levels by international standards and recent reductions in crime levels, and what the German public believe about the prevalence of crime in Germany due to alarmist tabloid reporting.

Cf. e.g., https://www.dw.com/en/crime-in-germany-drops-10-percent-in-2...

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Post by lm28469 »

iso947 wrote: post #707
viraptor wrote: post #311

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It all started with the media, as in, police crime was documented. Now when police already uses questionable methods, cameras will point at them. Since they can't be identified in full gear, they can shoot at press without anyone stopping them, so I guess why not? They're already shooting at random people so there's a lot of aggression built up.

Why don’t the police have visible numbers on their uniforms?

They do, but they put black tape on the numbers or conveniently have some piece of equipment in front of it. It's not like someone is going to punish them for doing that

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Post by elihu »

mchusma wrote: post #600
elihu wrote: post #568

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Ending cash bail policies wouldn't directly address police violence, but it could reduce the incarceration rate. There are many people in jail waiting trial for crimes they did not commit, simply because they could not afford bail and would not take a plea deal. Ending the use of private prisons and restricting police use of military equipment and weapons are also frequently suggested proposals. In terms of police vi…

Thanks! Ending cash bail is a good one. I'm not so well versed on private prisons, but I think I'm general the scale of incarceration is a larger issue than the quality of it. Still a good suggestion for discussion. We have 10x more incarcerated per capital than germany. If the police think 1 in 100 (rounding a bit) belong in jail, it leads to a very different quality of interaction if it is 1 in 1,000. Definitely ag…

I just stumbled across this today:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campaign_Zero

https://www.joincampaignzero.org/s/CampaignZero-Policing.pdf

They seem like sensible policy positions for reducing violence and misconduct by police.

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Post by neuronic »

lenkite wrote: post #656
jascii wrote: post #190

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Do you have any concrete examples where the protesters instigated the violence? I have not been able to find any.

Well a police officer was killed trying to prevent a store being looted. But many people here consider looting as justified and warranted in the current circumstances - shop owners should grin and bear it for the greater cause - so it may not be what you are asking for. https://abcnews.go.com/US/small-town-police-chief-killed-off...

Police is actively avoiding helping victims of lootings. Helps to discredit the protests and US police NEVER have an interest in helping anyways.

Just from personal experience in ca. 2012, the Binghamton, NY PD has openly threatened to plant drugs on us following a a noise complaint.

We talked to officers trying to cooperate but as we weren't following ORDERS such as "Don't scratch your arm right now!" the cops escalated and one took out a tazer. We were all white btw. and as a European I couldn't believe those cops. We calmly talked and suddenly we face a tazer? Because those authoritarian scumbags didn't want to hold a conversation with the people THEY confronted? Over a noise complaint?

Something is super wrong in the US when it comes to police. Maybe start educating them before letting them lose on society. It helps.

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Post by TLightful »

stonogo wrote: post #219
SpelingBeeChamp wrote: post #214

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"numerous videos show police breaking windows themselves" I don't believe you. The umbrella guy breaking the AutoZone window with a hammer has no connection to any police department. Someone made that up on social media and people shared it because that's what people do. The only video I know of showing officers breaking a window is out of Seattle. It shows officers responding to a burglary in progress at a Target st…

Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gv2ogk/news_ch...

He just had a nervous twitch.

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Post by r_c_a_d »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #373
DiffEq wrote: post #359

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Civil War? More blacks are killed by blacks - far more than blacks are killed by police. That is the real civil war. When are black leaders going to address that?

Black leadership has been bombed, assassinated, and jailed. Their neighborhoods are targeted for predatory financial extraction and are disproportionately exposed to environmental hazards like waste processing plants, dumps, etc. The Black Panther party had significant leadership and unification, social programs like food, educational programs, etc. They were killed. Bombed in fact. Prominent leaders were shot in the…

It will take a long time, generations, to fix this. I remember the 1981 race riots in London.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1981_Brixton_riot

There was a public inquiry afterwards that led to the creation of a Police Complaints Commission. But that was largely ineffective for at least 20 years afterwards.

Ultimately I think integration and education are the only solution. My parents didn't meet a non-white person until they were in their late 20s. At my school there were a few black families. At my kids school there was a lot of diversity; and differences in race, sexuality and religion seem to be "old people's problems" to them now.

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