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Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Re: Police attacks against journalists across the U.S. since May 28

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Post by viraptor »

jfoster wrote: post #143

How & why is this happening? I feel fairly confident that police don't usually attack media, but it seems clear that in the past few days there has been some kind of deliberate choice made to start doing so. Are individual groups of police making the decision to attack media, or is it concerted? Are they just seeing it from other police and copying? I know some people will say it's because Trump has called media "fak…

It all started with the media, as in, police crime was documented. Now when police already uses questionable methods, cameras will point at them. Since they can't be identified in full gear, they can shoot at press without anyone stopping them, so I guess why not? They're already shooting at random people so there's a lot of aggression built up.

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Post by rumanator »

monoideism wrote: post #286
stonogo wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gv2ogk/news_ch...

That looks very suspicious, but if this were really a widespread technique by the police, I'm assuming there would be more than a single video taken. I mean, we know the black bloc and similar groups engages in these tactics, they've been doing it since Seattle WTO 1999. I've seen it in person to protests I've been to (as a protester). It's very hard for me to believe that all of a sudden those people are no longer a…

> That looks very suspicious, but if this were really a widespread technique by the police

Giving your comment the benefit of the doubt, that does not address the fact that a while platoon of police officers witnessed a fellow police officer vandalize public property without any reason or justification, and they didn't even flinched or complained or even frowned upon that brand of unprovoked abuse.

That's pretty much one of the central points of the whole protest.

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Post by WalterSear »

luckylion wrote: post #252
staticassertion wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The police seem to clearly be allowing looting on purpose. SoHo was looted two days in a row . Where were the NYPD? There are 10's of thousands of uniformed officers Maybe you can say the first day they somehow missed it, but two days in a row? Come on. I refuse to believe that they didn't see this coming - they brag about how they're "gathering intel" on terrorist groups, but they couldn't check twitter to see #soho…

What would you have preferred? If the police shows up and the looting does not stop, they can either use force (aka violence) to make it stop, or they can go home, essentially giving up the rule of law in the area. Not showing up can be a tactical decision: you don't have to generate more bad press and more cries about police brutality and you also don't need to quasi-officially hand over the area to the looters. The…

The looting is giving them political cover to attack those who directly threaten their identity. It's quite clear from their other actions where their priorities lie.

They have no (personal) reason to stop the looting, and at the same time, occupying their attention, the opportunity to strike out at that (very personal) threat.

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Post by agildehaus »

Loughla wrote: post #131
bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

I honestly wish there was anyone in Washington who seemed willing or able to lead in a bipartisan manner. Someone who didn't rely on the partisan firestorm of the week to get support. It's all very disheartening, and hard to explain to my children.

When you have one side that has completely lost touch with reality, being bipartisan is a bad idea.

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Post by chasd00 »

Sohcahtoa82 wrote: post #263
Press2forEN wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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so what? rioting is still against the law.

Destroying businesses and property of fellow citizens to get your point across will always fall on deaf ears. The only possible way to achieve your goals by rioting is completely terrorizing everyone into submission. Good luck with that.

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Post by klyrs »

prudhvis wrote: post #180
bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

Aren't most of these happening in majority left wing states and cities run by the left. AFAIK they are still report the Mayors of the cities. Let's not make this a Right vs Left thing any more. The country is already divided as it is, we don't need further division in this country.

Big cities tend to vote democrat, but there are protests in all 50 states.

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Post by bradly »

jwilber wrote: post #148
jascii wrote: post #133

Disclaimer: I am a bleeding heart liberal and this may filter my observations. I have been to a few rallies/vigils/marches lately and all incidences of violence that I have witnessed either in person or through media has been instigated by the police. As far as I know,every documented case where a formerly peaceful crowd turns into chaos has been started with police shooting pepperspray, teargas, or whatever into the…

It’s the same here in Seattle as it was while I was in Berkeley during Ferguson. People protest peacefully, and police shoot tear gas into the crowd and attack whomever they can get their hands on. I’ll admit, the outright brutality I saw in-person in Oakland was worse than what I’ve seen here in the recent days. In Oakland, the police would purposely corral protestors into groups and literally beat the shit out of t…

In a small suburb of San Diego the protest stopped traffic. Police forced the protesters off and then riots started and two banks were burnt down.

Two weeks ago a San Diego police deputy was released from jail after serving only six months after sexually assaulting (why forced oral sex is not rape I’m not sure) 16 women that had called the police for help. He does not have to register as a sexual offender.

Protesting is legal and a protest without a disturbance is not a protest, so arresting people causing a disturbance while shutting down non-violent disturbances is disappointing.

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Post by Red_Leaves_Flyy »

monoideism wrote: post #286
stonogo wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here you go. https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/gv2ogk/news_ch...

That looks very suspicious, but if this were really a widespread technique by the police, I'm assuming there would be more than a single video taken. I mean, we know the black bloc and similar groups engages in these tactics, they've been doing it since Seattle WTO 1999. I've seen it in person to protests I've been to (as a protester). It's very hard for me to believe that all of a sudden those people are no longer a…

https://old.reddit.com/r/actualpublicfreakouts

https://old.reddit.com/r/2020policebrutality

Are both accumulating quite a lot of evidence that police are using force recklessly and capriciously under the color of law without consequences.

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Post by ssully »

Press2forEN wrote: post #166
bosswipe wrote: post #91

I had been heartened by the right's recent upswing in fierce support for the first amendment, but unfortunately I've seen little of that support during the protests as freedom of assembly and freedom of the press have been attacked. For example Rand Paul has not tweeted in a week. Sadly, as always, these kind of principled arguments, on both sides, are a sham to advance whatever the partisan battle of the week is.

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The far left and their rejection of what tradition? America's time-honored tradition of murdering black people?

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Post by DiffEq »

untog wrote: post #310
DiffEq wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it that this man, Floyd, has been turned into a saint? He was intoxicated and behind the wheel of a car! Had he not been stopped, and killed an innocent child, it might be on the 5 o'clock news but probably not; none of you would care and would still be insisting that everyone be forced to stay quarantined for Covid-19 reasons. Sure, clearly the cops handled this wrong, but what got Floyd there in the 1st plac…

> Sure, clearly the cops handled this wrong, but what got Floyd there in the 1st place? What? Seriously, what? Are you suggesting that the police should be free to pick and choose who they kill based on whether they are a "model citizen/saint" or not? "Do not kill a person unnecessarily" should be a universal rule the police work to. It doesn't matter one bit who they are interacting with.

Do you have a reading comprehension disability? I am pretty sure I did not say they should have killed him.
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