Netflix to cut streaming quality in Europe for 30 days

Post by somehnguy » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 3:46 PM UTC

anonymouswacker wrote: post #440

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Post by jsjddbbwj » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 3:56 PM UTC

lultimouomo wrote: post #676

jsjddbbwj wrote: post #636

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"If you don't get what you pay for, then suck it up." Remember some Netflix clients pay MORE to enjoy higher quality. If Netflix artificially limits that quality, no matter the reason, then they shouldn't be charging that full price. Netflix is getting the best part of it: charging the same money, paying less for bandwidth, and they excuse themselves because the EU asked them to do it. It's the ISPs that should be so…

We pay for schools and our children stay home. We pay for street maintenance and we're locked in our houses. We pay for government and elections are being postponed. We pay for healthcare and people are not getting the care they need. We keep paying, because if we stop after the epidemic there won't be schools, there won't be road maintenance companies, there won't be a functioning government, there won't be hospital…

Post by nicoburns » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 4:07 PM UTC

pythonaut_16 wrote: post #694

lultimouomo wrote: post #676

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We pay for schools and our children stay home. We pay for street maintenance and we're locked in our houses. We pay for government and elections are being postponed. We pay for healthcare and people are not getting the care they need. We keep paying, because if we stop after the epidemic there won't be schools, there won't be road maintenance companies, there won't be a functioning government, there won't be hospital…

Because compulsory taxes that pay for a public good are exactly the same as a private company where users may elect to pay for one of several tiers of service.

Post by wmf » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 4:19 PM UTC

fulafel wrote: post #579

wmf wrote: post #225

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There's nothing in there about 4K not being 4K, just some griping about low bitrates. On computers you can access some debug stats https://www.reddit.com/r/netflix/comments/2fkylx/hidden_netf... and Roku also has it https://community.roku.com/t5/Channel-Issues-Questions/Someh...

You're technially right but conceptually he did show that the bitrate isn't in the normal 4k ballpark. There's likely little or no benefit on using a 4k resolution at this bitrate. In his experiment the Chroomecast on wifi gets a ~6 Mbps stream for 4k, which is about 20% of an average quality Handbrake encoded 4k stream. The surprise was that in his experiment Apple TV got so much higher bitrate. Market segmentation?

Post by rkeene2 » Fri, Mar 20, 2020, 4:42 PM UTC

eru wrote: post #496

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FWIW, the reason nodes typically don't get to 100% is due to something called WRED (Weighted Random Early Detection). As the outbound/inbound queue on your "node" approaches fullness, it randomly selects packets to drop. This signals TCP on the sender to back-off. The closer to full-ness it gets, the higher the probability (weight), so the sender knows to slow down to the slowest link's speed. I've written more about…

Thanks for the write-up! I wonder how TCP BBR would react here. If I understand it right, it wouldn't need RED to back off: the increased latency of buffers filling up would do that automatically. But BBR also wouldn't let the occasional dropped packet make it back off.