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I would go on a 1 on 1 interview with Cenk Uygur.
And you've watched the one he did with Sam Harris?
Yes. What is wrong with that interview?
James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google
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#712As a white male, good for him
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here. Also, we ban accounts for race war, which this arguably is.
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No, there aren't. There are alleged examples and supposed evidence of lots of things in the lawsuit, but that isn't one of them.
Yes, in paragraphs 174 to 198, but specifically 179 to 181.
Nothing in 174-198 is supported by evidence in the filing (this isn't unusual at this stage, since that's not generally required in an initial filing, but your claim was of evidence), except 188, which is part of an allegation of adverse politically-motivated job treatment, not hiring based on race/gender.
So, no, there are no examples with evidence of people hired just for minority status in the lawsuit filing.
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My understanding is that this is a very inaccurate portrayal of what happened, and that makes me doubt that you gave the memo a fair chance. He published an internal memo, but not necessarily a "secret" one. Someone else published it externally -- not him -- and he only went on a media "crusade" after being very publicly fired.
Yes, I gave the memo a chance. But you're right, though, now that I'm reflecting, my portrayal of him was too harsh. After all, the man did get fired for writing a letter. THAT is ridiculous and I hope he wins the suit just for that. The whole thing is embarrassing, though. I mean, what was he complaining about? He worked at Google, which is like, the top of the heap for programming jobs. I didn't understand why he w…
But Google actively solicited this feedback from it's employees. He didn't publish a screed unwarranted. Maybe he was misguided in his attempt, but that is a character flaw and not a fireable offense, at least in my mind. Furthermore, IIRC, he had published it many months prior to it going viral in the media, and the ensuing moral outrage that followed, and when he had originally published it internally it was _almost_ entirely uninteresting. I say _almost_ because, in typical fashion, some folks started speaking up after it went viral that yes, in fact, it had originally made them "uncomfortable" but that they were afraid to voice their own opinions on the matter.
Personally, looking at this from the outside and from the vantage point of today, I think the entire thing is overblown and also extremely typical considering the state of the Western world today.
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Gee, for a group that seems to complain about suppression of alternative thoughts you sure you do love to accuse everyone who disagrees with you of not having read the memo.
So you've concluded then that ironjunkie is an "alt-right" "member" because of _this_ comment thread? Yikes...
No, not at all. I meant conservatives/Damore supporters. The argument hinges on free speech, respect for differing opinions, oppression of conservative viewpoints, etc... That's all fine but then I see a lot of jumping to "you obviously didn't read it". That seems like a bit of a contradiction, to disregard the idea that someone has a different interpretation than you do.
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Well then doesn't he deserve what he gets? Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences.
I guess in that sense, everybody deserves whatever they get.
Well no, if someone went crazy and tried to murder him over this that would be a pretty inappropriate response.
I do get your point though.
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#717"...employees of Google who’ve been discriminated against due to their “perceived conservative political views by Google " Is that really illegal? If someone was not hired on account of his being a White supremacist, would he have any basis for a lawsuit?
In California, yes. See section 4 of: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/201...
Interesting. I guess that law would have protected both Brenden Eich and Donald Sterling, if they had been fired during their respective controversies.
To anyone assuming that I'm opposed to such a law: you're wrong. I've written in favor of such laws in the past, and think they should be strengthened even further. Assuming of course that they are used to protect all political opinions, both left wing and right.
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#718I wonder how much evidence google has of people who were pissed off by Damore's memo. Cause really, that's all it should take. "He made his continued employment here impossible because he pissed off his coworkers". Sounds like a completely valid reason to fire me.
Is Damore responsible for the failure of some of people in managing their own emotions? "He's saying things we don't like! Fire him!" That doesn't seem valid to me.
"I won't work with someone who thinks I'm less capable because of my genitals"
sounds a bit more valid to me.
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#719I find this kind of funny... The king of search finds it too hard to compile data. http://fortune.com/2017/05/27/google-gender-wage-data-report...
it wasn't that it was too hard. It was that there's a cost to compile the data, and Google shouldn't have to pay 250k to compile a data inquery just `because`.
Just like you aren't asked to strip search when going through TSA, `just because`. There needs to be a legitimate reason and suspicion.
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"If you change what he said it sounds worse" lol, is that seriously your argument?
It's a very good argument. Behavior that is ok for one group should be ok for another group, and viceversa. That is a truth of equality.
If you turn "I only have sex with women" into "I only have sex with white people", suddenly it sounds pretty offensive. Can we judge those two statements equivalently? It's not a good argument at all.