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Would you go on the Young Turks if you were him? It'd be like walking before a firing squad.
I would go on a 1 on 1 interview with Cenk Uygur.
And you've watched the one he did with Sam Harris?
James Damore has filed a class action lawsuit against Google
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The document went through multiple layers of abstraction. Very few people actually read it. Instead, some news outfit reported on it relatively accurately, then a less scrupulous outfit wanted clicks so they sensationalize it, then a third party reads both of those articles and averages their opinion on it somewhere in the middle. Repeat. As the information becomes more popular, we get sponsored snap stories and Face…
> Very few people actually read it. You need to learn that people can have a different opinion then you, having read the same document. > Damore was fired because of the outrage, not because of the article, but the outrage was manufactured by a sensationalist click machine and information overload culture literally championed by the company he was fired from. Correct, and that's why his lawsuit is BS. He caused outra…
No, his lawsuit is not BS. Google asked for his opinion, and they got it. He did not cause the outrage. It was sensitively framed and well argued. You can disagree with it, but he really didn't say anything controversial. Read it yourself.
It's only when the terminally butthurt howled that management did something. And instead of saying something mature like, "You need to learn that people can have a different opinion than you" and be tolerant of ideas, it was burn the witch and purge the wrongthink.
Craven corporate leadership at its worst.
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#683I never really saw too much issue with what he wrote. It seemed a lot of people were mad at him for things he never said. It's been awhile since I read his document, but I remember expecting it to be so bad from all the uproar I was hearing, but after reading it I couldn't find much to be angry about. Can someone enlighten me - i'll admit, this may be a highly ignorant topic of mine.
I read it and it made me pretty annoyed, not so much for what he said, but how he chose to go about saying it. He says he is only trying to start a conversation or discussion, but circulating a secret memo around your company and then going on a self-promotional media crusade really is not a great way to do that. It looks more like a political stunt, which is pretty much the opposite of a conversation.
I believe he was fired and subjected to outrage before he went on the "media crusade". Probably in order to clear his name.
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Perhaps you should read up a little on Autism Spectrum Disorder. James Damore almost certainly tends to the autistic, and it can lead to both some insensitive statements not intended the way they were taken, and being unable to recognize some of the social situations he was put in.
If that were true then wouldn't James Damore have recanted or apologized at some point, once he realized it was offense? This isn't making an off-color remark in passing.
Bearing in mind he has no reason to apologize for "the memo as a whole", how should he approach this? He's already said many times he was not saying what people are claiming he has said. It hasn't worked. Should he release a version 2 of the memo with the benefit of maybe someone else to help him edit it? How would that be received by his critics or the press?
Is there really anything he can say or do that will redeem his public image after he's been slandered on a global stage based on a internal-only memo that someone leaked to the public likely with the intent of ruining his life?
There is a point at which there is really nothing you can say to make a situation better, and you are better off just not saying anything further on the matter.
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> she mentioned a female developer who couldn't write SQL queries I'd wager a third of the nodejs "developer community" could be described that way. The key thing is was she hired to write sql queries?
Yes, that is part of her job, but it wasn't covered in the interview process from what I've been told.
Does she even bother looking at the docs or would that also denote how useless she is?
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#687> illegal hiring quotas Whether or not this is illegal, or true, this is an anti-pattern. If you want representation (and PR) hiring quotas are great; however, if you truly want to empower they work against your goals. At the end of the day any person who walks into a job because of a quota will question, "did I get this job because of my gender/race/creed/orientation?" While you have provided them with opportunity i…
Making someone question whether they are qualified is better than not hiring them at all. Quotas are useful if you have reason to believe that your hiring process is biased and you are missing out on qualified candidates. That way you're not passing up too many candidates from specific groups that you're having a hard time characterizing.
So if you suspect your hiring process is biased the solution is to make sure it is by implementing quotas. Mhh...
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>Before you downvote/call me a Nazi, I'm a mixed race woman in tech. No offence but I think it's kind of harmful to everyone when you make arguments based on your race and gender.
The issue is that if that statement had not been included than OP would have been accused of being privileged and thus disqualified from having an opinion.
Exactly, I'm not using it to bolster my statement, rather to prevent being called a Nazi
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#689I wonder if there should be a court that decides what is ethical and what isn't (according to the prevailing view of the society) as opposed to the current system where all you can do is try to right wrongs or punish actual harms to society.
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Except the Big Five has been debunked as being too lexical for biological differentiation. Thanks for that. I find that reaction much more informative than the name-calling sent at James Damore. In this sense we can say that the Big Five does not represent the structure of temperament or the structure of biologically based traits, even though lexical perception reflects some elements of it. Well, one should expect th…
Sure, which may be fine for the burden of proof for a personal opinion. Incorrectly using evidence to support your opinion as you broadcast it at work, and not listening, discussing, or considering critical feedback (like this) is a different matter. Especially when it means incorrectly classifying your co-workers and trying to change how your work fights social biases.
Incorrectly using evidence to support your opinion as you broadcast it at work
Sorry, but while your observation is interesting, there is nothing incorrect about citing such evidence.
Especially when it means incorrectly classifying your co-workers and trying to change how your work fights social biases.
Exactly how did James Damore go about classifying specific co-workers? [Citation Needed] Seriously, cite James Damore and show how he "classified" anyone in particular.