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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by strangecasts »

throwaway_10948 wrote: post #668
benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

agreed; i am not saying that we should not care about morals, but HN could really strive to be one level higher in its knowledge of ethics than 'using grok4.5 is supporting $evil', because if you go that chain then 'using A\ is supporting spacex/elon hence A\ models are poison' also seemingly stands

I think Anthropic buying compute from Colossus despite the ongoing air pollution case [1] is a stain on them and is another reason not to use them

[1] https://www.nytimes.com/2026/06/16/climate/xai-musk-mississi...

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by goekjclo »

gf000 wrote: post #699
rdbl27 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it occurred to you that _all_ model providers are actively trying to shape their models' replies to fit their preferred political narratives?

"Reality has a liberal bias" . Sure, every author has a bias. But a fair selection of human written sources will be pretty balanced (of course, given the ratio of languages, surely western models will have a western-christian bias - presumably Chinese models less so, but this latter I have no way of checking). If you train specific stuff on top, or deliberately filter the sources (e.g. Tiananmen square), your model i…

ChatGPT, Claude, and Gemini have already been filtered. https://x.com/arctotherium42/status/2037324942069342679

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by [deleted] »

jesse_dot_id wrote: post #291

I just don't think that I can ever trust an xAI model knowing that they are actively trying to shape its replies to fit a political narrative. How can you trust their models to be reliable in a business setting with the foreknowledge that their models are being nudged around in the backend?

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Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by kennywinker »

awongh wrote: post #493
rdbl27 wrote: post #457

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Has it occurred to you that _all_ model providers are actively trying to shape their models' replies to fit their preferred political narratives?

It's interesting that all models seems to be unbiased out of the box so far- that is, mostly reflecting the training data (the internet). The whole mecha-hitler thing doesn't seem to reflect fine-tuning, it was just a prompt change. There's been some studies that suggest that certain usage of LLMs reduces political bias, which seems reasonable. Like, how credible is climate change, are Haitians eating pets, etc. THin…

> It's interesting that all models seems to be unbiased out of the box so far- that is, mostly reflecting the training data (the internet).

Assuming models do accurately reflect the biases in their training data, that doesn’t make them un-biased.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

Otterly99 wrote: post #673
keeda wrote: post #515

> Training included trillions of tokens of Cursor data which capture a wide-range of user interactions with codebases and software tools. This -- training on work done on hard, real-world tasks -- seems to be how most frontier models are making capability gains these days. In fact people make decent money doing that for data companies like Mercor. However it's also striking that Cursor managed to gather so much of su…

Unless you're working on private data, is it such a problem to let Cursor train on your data? I personally work mostly on small, unoriginal projects. I don't really mind letting Cursor keep the data for training if it leads to a better product for me.

It's the same as any service that makes you opt out of sucking up your data. It's a bad default, and it's not obvious to the average that it's even happening.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by LightBug1 »

benjamoon wrote: post #675
emil-lp wrote: post #669

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The hardcore nerds have always been political. Wake up. You're using the sell my soul to the devil argument. If you achieve what you want to, it doesn't matter if you sold your soul on the way.

If you’re using Claude then guess what, it’s running on Elon’s GPUs. If you’re using Codex, then say hello to Microsoft for me. Let’s just presume that everyone hates everyone and get back to talking tech.

Bullshit argument. If people care about shit, they might not eliminate everything, they do what they reasonably can.

Do what you can, if you can, how you can, when you can.

Not, ohhhh, "If you drink water, you're still using MS servers, I'm very intelligent".

I thought that meme was well understood by now.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by 9NRtKyP4 »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

You don’t exist in a vacuum. Pretending the politics doesn’t exist is itself a political position. Excluding it is how we’ve ended up with technically impressive but socially awful systems.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by gf000 »

curtisblaine wrote: post #639
michaelhoney wrote: post #552

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Yes, but some narratives are more closely tied to the racist and regressive views of their current funder

And some are more tied to the globalist and progressive-for-the-sake-of-progress views of their current founder. Why not let users pick their poison?

Who or what is this latter "globalist" view? Like it's such an oversimplification of multiple, independent actors' acts that it's just a plain bad world view/model. What would be the common goal? You need some extra amount of tinfoil for such bullshit.

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by kleiba2 »

benjamoon wrote: post #662

So depressing to read the non-stop political comments here. I’m using GLM at the moment, it’s Chinese and backed by god knows who, and no one cares. I really wanted to see what the experts thought of new Grok tech and how the model compares etc. I wish I could turn off the non-technical comments somehow, could literally just go to reddit if I want to see garbage like this. Am I supposed to get emotional every time I…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eternal_September

Re: Grok 4.5

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Post by Capricorn2481 »

dimgl wrote: post #241
minimaxir wrote: post #84

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Even without the politics, Elon has shown that he will weaponize his platforms against people/companies he personally doesn't like (e.g. specific bans/demotions to external sites like Substack and Bluesky). Using Grok is therefore a supply chain risk and it's not nearly good enough to offset that risk.

As opposed to what was happening before, on Twitter?

Seems irrelevant since Jack Dorsey is not the one buying half the worlds compute and telling us to plug his AI into our brains.
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