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Green card seekers must leave U.S. to apply, Trump administration says

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Post by thehappypm »

TehCorwiz wrote: post #575
abalashov wrote: post #377

This is insane. I cannot fathom how I, nor educated and talented people I know, could have possibly stayed in the US back in the day if this requirement had been in place then. Applying for a greencard while working on an H, J or O-class visa is extremely common. Far from a loophole, applying from inside the US is the only reasonable way to apply for a greencard. Depending on the country of origin, there may not even…

The cruelty is the point. They want people to leave so they can refuse to allow them back in. That's the goal. It's not more complicated than that.

That isn’t cruelty. It’s immigration policy that the rest of the world already has

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Post by vel0city »

parineum wrote: post #554
itkovian_ wrote: post #353

The US isn’t what it used to be. It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. The requirement of being permanently obligated to pay us taxes on global income, if you have any kind of global mobility, is not worth it when you look at the situation objectively. The US is the only country that requires this, and signing up is voluntarily. So while US immigration c…

> It’s definitely not the best place in the world to live for quality of life, on basically any metric. I guess these immigrants must be stupid.

That the US is a better place to live than Venezuela or Guatemala or Haiti isn't crossing a very high bar of well developed countries.

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Post by throwaway2037 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #425
nairboon wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the kids must first get visas to their parent's countries In this situation, wouldn't the kids already have citizenship of their parents countries?

A lot of countries don’t provide citizenship automatically without condition by blood. China for example, a kid only inherits citizenship if one parent is a chinese citizen and not a PR of any other country (so kids born to Chinese parents with green cards don’t count, which doesn’t really matter in this case). Also the USA used to have weird rules about young mothers not transferring citizenship automatically (which…

What happens if two Chinese parents are living and working in the Netherlands with permanent residence. If they have a child, what is the nationality? I don't think it will be Dutch because the Netherlands does not have automatic birth right, unless to prevent statelessness.

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Post by nostrebored »

jjtwixman wrote: post #464
rangestransform wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those countries could keep their own talent through economic policy (i.e. fuck you pay me) That they don’t is entirely their own fault and they deserve to be brain drained. “Talent” are people with agency and not possessions subservient to national interests.

Sure, and now they don’t need to keep their talent through economic policy. The USA is being kind enough to force them to stay in Europe/Asia :)

no, there are already runoff places that will brain drain the rest. there will be no "great repatriation". it's not just "The US" and "Home", there is an ease of immigration, quality of life, and success potential gradient.

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Post by hakrgrl »

cogman10 wrote: post #165

So much of the US immigration process is built around punishing and exploiting. The primary reason for the strong border is allowing farms and construction companies to find cheap labor which can't complain about mistreatment. It helps that a decent portion of the population hates and/or is fearful anyone different from themselves. That is what's allowed for these even more draconian and brutal measures.

Why does the US have to offer jobs to the whole world? People flood US borders like it's a magnet sucking them in and cry when they can't stay. If it's so exploitive why don't people stay in their own country or go somewhere else?

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Post by bruce511 »

davidw wrote: post #574
cloche wrote: post #511

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Unfortunately, I think this is the point. They want to push the needle so that even legal immigration is restricted or difficult (unless you happen to pay them directly) https://www.nytimes.com/2026/05/23/us/politics/trump-legal-i...

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Depends on your definition of "immigrants".

Sure, you might think of it as "people with citizenship of another nation."

But I suspect it's more along the lines of "people who don't look like me."

White Afrikaaners are welcome (we'll even invent persecution and call them refugees), but folk from elsewhere (ie actual refugees), um, less welcome.

The trope about "culture assimilation" also comes up. It's OK for Irish and Italian immigrants to keep their culture, adding to the melting pot, but Mexicans and Africans less so

And sure, lots of people are friendly to "the immigrant they know" while at the same time being very against "immigration". One need look no further than the last few elections to see this in action.

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Post by guywithahat »

skybrian wrote: post #323
techteach00 wrote: post #310

I support this. The United States is too crowded. I don't want to compete with all these new people for housing. American citizens really need to begin advocating for themselves. For their material interests.

Apparently you haven't travelled much in the US. Outside the major cities it can be pretty desolate.

I don't want every square inch of my country to be city; and if you look on google maps, most of the land in the US is already either used for farming, cities, or not suitable for either.
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