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Post by verdverm »

segmondy wrote: post #644
hodgehog11 wrote: post #304

There are quite a few comments here about benchmark and coding performance. I would like to offer some opinions regarding its capacity for mathematics problems in an active research setting. I have a collection of novel probability and statistics problems at the masters and PhD level with varying degrees of feasibility. My test suite involves running these problems through first (often with about 2-6 papers for conte…

They have had the best math models for about a year most folks just didn't know about it. You can't find inference on APIs, but I run these at home, this is also the advantage of open models. https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Math-V2 https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-Prover-V2-671B

Vertex AI has had deep seek available via API for a while

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by rawlings156 »

chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

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Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by zobzu »

sigmoid10 wrote: post #332
chvid wrote: post #322

The incredible arrogance and hybris of the American initiated tech war - it is just a beautiful thing to see it slowly fall apart. The US-China contest aside - it is in the application layer llms will show their value. There the field, with llm commoditization and no clear monopolies, is wide open. There was a point in time where it looked like llms would the domain of a single well guarded monopoly - that would have…

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

bold to think half the comments here arent from deepseek itself :)

I personally love the bit "us initiated tech war" lol. thats right, they started making AI its their fault! bad imperialist US !

yeah, v5 will do better

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Post by shiftingleft »

jari_mustonen wrote: post #239

Open Source as it gets in this space, top notch developer documentation, and prices insanely low, while delivering frontier model capabilities. So basically, this is from hackers to hackers. Loving it! Also, note that there's zero CUDA dependency. It runs entirely on Huawei chips. In other words, Chinese ecosystem has delivered a complete AI stack. Like it or not, that's a big news. But what's there not to like when…

Is it really the full pipeline running on Huawei hardware? That is training and inference?

The report only talks about validating the "fine-grained EP scheme" on Huawei hardware.

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Post by SmirkingRevenge »

Ladioss wrote: post #376
sigmoid10 wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Still not sure how I feel about China of all places to control the only alternative AI stack, but I guess it's better than leaving everything to the US alone. If China ever feels emboldened enough to go for Taiwan and the US descends into complete chaos, the rest of the world running on AI will be at the mercy of authoritarian regimes. At the very least you can be sure noone is in this for the good of the people anym…

I always find it an illuminating experience about the power of mass propaganda every time I see an American believe they somewhat have the moral high ground over China, despite starting a new war somewhere around the globe either for petrol or on behalf of Israel every six months.

The moral high ground claims here can be generalized:

Liberal democracies have moral high ground over authoritarian dictatorships (at least along that one dimension)

The US is backsliding tragically (and stupidly) and may lose that moral high ground, but the rest of the western democracies will still have it

Re: DeepSeek v4

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Post by WarmWash »

PhilippGille wrote: post #699
hodgehog11 wrote: post #304

There are quite a few comments here about benchmark and coding performance. I would like to offer some opinions regarding its capacity for mathematics problems in an active research setting. I have a collection of novel probability and statistics problems at the masters and PhD level with varying degrees of feasibility. My test suite involves running these problems through first (often with about 2-6 papers for conte…

When you say "Gemini", which exact model do you mean? You know there are several and they vary a lot in how capable they are? Pro 3.1 Preview, 2.5 Pro (their latest non-preview pro model), Flash 3 Preview, ... Same with GPT-5: Latest 5.5, prior 5.4, or actually the original 5 (.0)? You can't talk about model performance without specifying the exact model.

High bet on 3.1 pro. I use it a lot for math and classic engineering, it's very strong.

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Post by chrischen »

rfrey wrote: post #653
Ladioss wrote: post #376

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I always find it an illuminating experience about the power of mass propaganda every time I see an American believe they somewhat have the moral high ground over China, despite starting a new war somewhere around the globe either for petrol or on behalf of Israel every six months.

Many of us (worldwide, I'm not American) watched China massacre thousands of its own children at Tiananmen Square. The US is descending into totalitarianism, but it hasn't reached that level yet. And China may have changed in some ways but there have been no signals it would not repeat that event if it thought circumstances warranted.

Whether a country massacres its own people is not really a good litmus test since there are countries that treat its own citizens well but foreigners really badly. One such country is… oh the US!

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Post by ifwinterco »

nailer wrote: post #538
ifwinterco wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a Brit I'm here for it to be honest, I'm tired of America with everything that's going on. China is not perfect but a bit of competition is healthy and needed

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I'm not arguing that the UK is a particularly well run country, I just provided the context that I am British because it felt relevant

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Post by Kuyawa »

I am using DeepSeek extensively to develop apps, three in the last month, with my own CLI coding agent [1] developed by DeepSeek itself line by line. I haven't spent $1 yet in well over 10 million tokens.

If I considered myself a 10X programmer, now I am 100X. Love DeepSeek.

[1] https://github.com/kuyawa/mecha-ai

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