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Re: Goodbye to Sora

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I somewhat consistently use notebookLM for podcasts of academic papers I'm reading in my PhD. You have to go read it yourself afterwards but it makes better use of time in the gym or doing dishes/groceries.

I found notebookLM to consistently make up about 20% of it's summary. Entertaining but unreliable.

I used it most key to learn about history. There isn’t much damage if it got 1600s or 1700s detail wrong. My high school teachers got much of it wrong too.

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I'm reminded of a video from the 80's/90's where researchers took a TV to the Amazon to see how "live off the land" tribes reacted to high technology. Apparently they stopped doing everything and just wanted to watch TV all day. And that was just regular old TV. Short form video is a special kind of crack. I see even old people getting hypnotized by it. And even worse, they're terrible at determining if something is…

I'm gonna try to remember this comment for the next time someone brings up the boiling frog analogy. Which is usually back to back with the thought that in bygone times "the human mind used to be cleaner / healthier / smarter and it was slowly destroyed by modern living" There's not that much difference between our behavior and that of a chicken fixated on the chalk line in front of it.

This. What really happened is that someone figured out what makes people give something their undivided attention and is profiting handsomely off of this finding.

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I somewhat consistently use notebookLM for podcasts of academic papers I'm reading in my PhD. You have to go read it yourself afterwards but it makes better use of time in the gym or doing dishes/groceries.

Just listen to actual audio books... literally doing double the work for no benefit... why?

It can synthesize and summarize many topics.

For example, I can give it 8 papers on best practices in online marketing, it will turn it into a 20 minute podcast.

There are errors, but also with real podcasters.

Re: Goodbye to Sora

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Hosting videos is really expensive. AI video generation inference is really expensive. I'd love to see how much money this experiment cost.

So much that they walked away from a billion dollar deal with Disney by dropping Sora.

I don't think anyone outside of Disney/ClosedAI knows what deal was actually made. Maybe they just shut down public use of Sora but Disney will still be able to use it internally? Maybe they never even signed anything, as is too often the case with AI deals, especially big ones, how we read about signed/inked deals but then it turns out it was all just words spoken. Maybe they took the cash, then shut Sora down to save money? Could be any number of things that happened which we might never know.

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> You have to go read it yourself afterwards ^ this is important. Otherwise you may very well be missing anything really surprising or novel. See for example https://www.programmablemutter.com/p/after-software-eats-the... , an experience report of NotebookLM where > It was remarkable to see how many errors could be stuffed into 5 minutes of vacuous conversation. What was even more striking was that the errors systema…

On one hand 2024 in AI time was a decade ago. On the other, Google might not have done much to upgrade the podcast feature since them.

It’s gotten somewhat better over time though clearly not their top priority.

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I somewhat consistently use notebookLM for podcasts of academic papers I'm reading in my PhD. You have to go read it yourself afterwards but it makes better use of time in the gym or doing dishes/groceries.

The bantering of the podcast I found distracting and the breathless enthusiasm. I guess there was a way to make it more no nonsense? I found I lost content if tuned for brevity.

I tell them “no idle conversation or verbal tics” in the instructions.
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