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Post by ralferoo »

swiftcoder wrote: post #649
imtringued wrote: post #643

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's true, but the one child policy has backed them into a corner. A society that is unwilling to replace itself will inevitably decline.

> the one child policy has backed them into a corner A policy that ended a decade ago, and was only ever marginally successful (even at the height of the restrictions their birth rate was nearer 1.4 than 1.0)

The one child policy was only for cities anyway. Agricultural areas were permitted, even encouraged, to have more children. There were other exceptions, like twins (obviously), if the first baby was disabled, etc. Later on, couples were allowed two children if both parents came from single-child families.

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Post by veunes »

john_strinlai wrote: post #22

> However, a lawyer representing the company - which has previously said it won't pay such fines - has responded to the demand with an AI-generated cartoon image of a hamster. > The latest image is not the first picture of a hamster lawyers for 4chan have sent in reply to Ofcom amazing. same energy as the pirate bay telling dreamworks to sodomize themselves. i cant help but laugh at the absurdness of it.

It's funny on the surface, but it also kind of highlights how broken the interaction is

Re: 4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches

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Post by raxxorraxor »

EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #184

Ofcom is currently threatening a Canadian forum that exists to help people with depression. Ofcom claims that geoblocking blocking the UK is "insufficient": > I've also gone back to Ofcom explicitly telling them the UK was now geoblocked (twice now) and I received a response that this was insufficient. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1rk690v/i_ru... Ofcom really thinks that their laws apply gl…

> Ofcom really thinks that their laws apply globally.

It really paints this authority in a special light if they believe they can force their rules on everyone on the planet. To be honest, I think this needs immediate psychological evaluation because you have to have a very distorted view on reality. Even if you give a lot of leverage to authorities being detached. But certainly the authority is very overwhelmed with itself and the world.

But while we are at it I demand that Ofcom removes it presence from my internet too. Perhaps flood some DNS server, so ofcom.uk to point to 4chan...

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Post by Neil44 »

EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #184

Ofcom is currently threatening a Canadian forum that exists to help people with depression. Ofcom claims that geoblocking blocking the UK is "insufficient": > I've also gone back to Ofcom explicitly telling them the UK was now geoblocked (twice now) and I received a response that this was insufficient. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1rk690v/i_ru... Ofcom really thinks that their laws apply gl…

That's just how the law works apparently, if there's a UK law passed that makes smoking illegal in Paris then smoking is illegal in Paris. The practicalities of this are to be worked out later.

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Post by guerrilla »

philipallstar wrote: post #658
solid_fuel wrote: post #630

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Good news/bad news, our current leaders are far too incompetent to successfully plan and execute a regime change operation. Bad news is they're stupid enough to try anyway and have a lot of weapons.

They don't need to change a regime. Just cut off a major ally of China and Russia.

They're not though. They're lofting sanctions on Russia just to help try to survive this war.

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Post by kunley »

lukan wrote: post #682
kunley wrote: post #671

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Your sarcasm sounds like we'd be living in some extreme 1984-like dystopia, while the reality is: there is more bullshit one can read online than a bullshit one can get from a poor doctor/therapist. From my experience, the best one can do is to get a good and affordable therapist by a word of mouth.. and sometimes one can get lucky as such person is doing also service for a state, for free. Main point is to actively…

Main point with depressed people is, they often do lack initiative and enthusiasm to go find that unicorn therapists. When you are struggeling already in general and then you have to struggle even more to maybe find help (and then you don't know whether you can afford it) .. no wonder people turn to online help and LLM'S. So yes, you are right in that activly start searching is the better way. But that insight is oft…

Well in my European country therapists hourly rates are very flat and practically the same as hourly rates for physiotherapists, massage practitioners and basic doctors, plus an LLM can really quickly tell that, so it is much faster to get to know if one can afford it than to look for a general solution of the whole problem.

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Post by huflungdung »

doright wrote: post #499
financltravsty wrote: post #131

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Vouched, because this was going to be my counterpoint as someone who had the same circumstances as the grandparent. Despite the enormously heinous stuff I've seen on that site, it has made me a better writer, developed my critical thinking skills, and given me a perspective on the world and its people that wouldn't have existed without. It also introduced me to many different things and developed my taste beyond meas…

Should 4chan or something similarly extreme be recommended reading for children/adolescents to understand the horrors of the world then? I would bet that some young people will be as reflective and independently minded as you were to integrate the material into their experience and be better off for it. Some (like me, because I was thin-skinned) won't and it will stress them out or traumatize them instead. Does that…

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Post by dTal »

philipallstar wrote: post #694
dTal wrote: post #684

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But not diversity of race, apparently.

That's neither here nor there. Just get the best people. Or are you against the current racial makeup of the earnings of the top NBA players?

In case it wasn't clear, my comment was sarcastic. To be absolutely clear, I don't agree with racial discrimination.

So that we don't talk past each other, here is a summary of my perspective of the discussion so far:

NoMoreNicksLeft dropped an unhinged rant about "England for the English", including a clearly sarcastic and mocking reference to "They have strength in their diversity".

joe_mamba chimed in with "diversity is bad", and added that Germany has the same "issue".

DeathArrow expressed incredulity at witnessing open racial segregationism on HN.

You replied to DeathArrow with "diversity of opinions is good". It was unclear whether you were defending the expression of segregationism on HN, or disagreeing with the premise of it. In any case you didn't signal that you recognized the extreme irony.

I attempted to point out the irony with as few words as possible, and apparently failed to communicate well enough.

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Post by bmacho »

Neil44 wrote: post #704
EmbarrassedHelp wrote: post #184

Ofcom is currently threatening a Canadian forum that exists to help people with depression. Ofcom claims that geoblocking blocking the UK is "insufficient": > I've also gone back to Ofcom explicitly telling them the UK was now geoblocked (twice now) and I received a response that this was insufficient. Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/LegalAdviceUK/comments/1rk690v/i_ru... Ofcom really thinks that their laws apply gl…

That's just how the law works apparently, if there's a UK law passed that makes smoking illegal in Paris then smoking is illegal in Paris. The practicalities of this are to be worked out later.

Smoking in Paris is harmful to the health of UK citizens residing in Paris. I'm not sure why UK hasn't banned that yet.

When OSA was announced I really expected the US to state clearly that they wouldn't let UK to threaten US citizens with millions of fines if they practice their rights to Free Speech.

Because this is what's happening, the UK is making open threats against US citizens when they practice their rights to Free Speech. See e.g. Lobsters' take on it: they just wanted to have a webforum in the US but they couldn't because a foreign country threatened them with huge fines. No protection from the US.

"Just geoblock UK" seemed like a good enough in practice solution, although it is more action needed than I'd prefer.

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Post by ralferoo »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #516
dgroshev wrote: post #502

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Is it indicative of "economic irrelevance"?

Kinda. It's a single-digit percentage of just the US and China, clustered with a lot of other countries of roughly the same size [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

True, but the the UK has under 30% of the population of the US and less than 6% of the population of China.

If you compare per capita, it's a very different story. USA is around $93k, UK $61k and China $15k. So about 2/3 of the USA's and more than 4x China's. This was using my figures calculated from your table and the population figures I found elsewhere.

An actual source of GDP per capita [0] puts the USA at 9th globally, UK at 20th globally and China at 74th.

When you factor in that the US's GDP figures are quite skewed because there are lots of multinationals headquartered in the US. If you ignored just the Mag7, who all derive the majority of their income outside the USA, the USA would be significantly further down that GDP list.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nomi...

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