With OpenClaw we are seeing how the app layer becomes as important as the model layer. You can switch models multiple times (online/proprietary, open weight, local), but you have one UI : OpenClaw.
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#702Earlier quoted context omitted.
I’m rather sure *Airbus* will prefer a programmer which reads and writes reliable code. The programmer which delivers useful products is probably hired by Microsoft? Or worse, Boeing. Or Toyota. Some NTSB people or Michael Barr are happy to tell you details about the number of dead people they created. Restart braking to brake because our code failed. Or. One single sensor delivers wrong data. Let us put the trim dow…
OT: it's not the first time I see this grammatical mistake: "didn’t trained". Is it some accepted regional variation?
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#703I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…
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#704I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…
It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions a…
The most successful engineers are the ones who can accurately assess the trade-offs regarding those things. The things you list still may be critical for many applications and worth obsessing over.
The question becomes can we still achieve the same trade-offs without writing code by hand in those cases.
That’s an open question.
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#705Just like the original OpenAI story, this seems like a case of reputation hacking through asymmetry in risk tolerance. There is not much novel about OpenClaw. Anybody could have thought of this or done it. The reason people have not released an agent that would run by itself, edit its own code and be exposed to the internet is not that it's hard or novel - it's because it is an utterly reckless thing to do. No respon…
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#706> The claw is the law. This isn't a Slay The Spire reference is it?
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#707I'm happy for the guy, but am I jealous as well? Well yes, and that's perfectly human. We have someone who vibe coded software with major security vulnerabilities. This is reported by many folks We also have someone who vibecoded without reading any of the code. This is self admitted by this person. We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. The…
> We don't know how much of the github stars are bought. We don't know how many twitter followings/tweets are bought. Why this insinuation? The project went massively viral and was even covered in my local newspaper. I don't see any reason to doubt those numbers.
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#708If you step back and look at this whole thing from a marketing and cash flow perspective, I think it makes a lot more sense. It is in OAI's best interests to create a perception that flinging agentic swarm crap at the wall may result in lucrative job offers. Or to otherwise imply this is the golden path. They need their customers to consume ever more tokens per unit time. This highly contentious parallel agent swarm…
Plus employees who can inject hyped ideas is exactly the sort of efficient advertising openai relies on
It will hurt when self proclaimed coders realise 2 years later and all their savings burned on token they cannot all get meaningful traction.
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#709Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's funny to me how still so many don't realize you don't get hired for the best positions for being a 10x programmer who excels at hackerrank, you get hired for your proven ability to deliver useful products. Creativity, drive, vision, whatever. Code is a means to an end. If you're the type of programmer who thinks of yourself as just a programmer, and take pride in your secure code, ability to optimize functions a…
> Quality of code has never had anything to do with which products are successful This is just wrong. Plenty of examples of crap code causing major economic losses.
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#710I really hope Mario who wrote the engine that powers OpenClaw[0] gets spoils as well. OpenClaw is mostly a shell around this (ha!), and I've always been annoyed OpenClaw never credited those repos openly. The pi agent repos are a joy to read, are 1/100th the size of OpenClaw, and have 95% of the functionality. [0]: https://github.com/badlogic/pi-mono
peter's claw is a lot more than just a wrapper around my slop. i too had plenty of offers, but so far chose not to follow through with any of them, as i like my life as is. also, peter is a good friend and gives plenty of credit. in fact, less credit would be nice, so i don't have to endure more vibeslopped issues and PRs going forward :)