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Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by gamerdonkey »

aendruk wrote: post #619
gamerdonkey wrote: post #589

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> As an example: a an African American janitor in our kids' school voted republican in 2024 for the first time in his life, because the park in his Brooklyn neighborhood has become a shanty town and he can't work out there. Okay, first off, I am just very confused by this sentence. How is the "shanty town" preventing him from working? Does he work from his home in Brooklyn? Is the school located in the park? Does he…

> How is the "shanty town" preventing him from working? Not working; working out.

My bad. Thanks for clarifying.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by chaps »

Steven420 wrote: post #686
chaps wrote: post #662

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I'm sorry that you think she deserved death.

I don't think that she deserved death. It's unfortunate that you are misrepresenting my comments. I believe that she made a series of bad decisions and was solely responsible for what occurred. I understand that we are living in emotional times but arguing in bad faith does not improve the situation. We should maybe stop this discussion as it doesn't seem that we are getting anywhere. I hope that you have a good day

Please understand where I'm coming from:

My mom's dad was shot and killed by police. Absolutely nobody in my family knows anything about it, but the default is "he was a bad person and deserved it" or, "he probably did something wrong." The coroner's report shows his death as a suicide, despite police shooting and killing him. This was a time before cameraphones and before I was even born, so it's impossible for me, let alone anyone else to know what happened.

A lot of how you approach this discussion reminds me of the side of my family that defaults to thinking that the police did nothing wrong, or that their actions were justified or within policy, even without knowing the full facts (or, any; it's willful ignorance out the wazoo), plus a handful of assumptions. And, just -- a person died and that's all you can muster? Callousness and an air of benevolence?

You can do better, friend.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by CGMthrowaway »

andrewvc wrote: post #19

For an idea as to how this gets translated into the reality on the ground here in Minneapolis this is an article on what’s going on from the main newspaper in the state. > In the past week alone, ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements from his car, slammed him to the ground and detained him at the Whipple Federal Building near Fort Snelling for 10 hours. A 51-year-old teacher patrolling t…

  - ICE boxed in a Woodbury real estate agent recording their movements
  - She was run off the road into a snowbank by ICE for laying on her horn
  - A woman attempting to drive past a raid
  - Feds pushed an unidentified motorist through a red light
  - Fired projectiles at a pedestrian walking “too slowly”
Where does the Palantir app come into any of these stories?

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by ok_dad »

alpine_accentor wrote: post #597
_bohm wrote: post #487

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I think most people involved in protests would not characterize the thing they are resisting as merely "law enforcement". What they are experiencing is an occupation by a politically weaponized paramilitary organization which is going door-to-door in their neighborhoods wearing masks, wielding ARs, yelling at people and brutalizing them. How do you think you would react if this was taking place in your community?

Of course the brutality is not desirable, but to stay in perspective, what would you suggest they do to still enforce the law efficiently but without this forcefulness? They can’t do it the normal way when they are constantly watched and their targets are warned beforehand by whistles and apps and they can’t and shouldn’t back down on enforcing the law.

> what would you suggest they do to still enforce the law efficiently but without this forcefulness

How about not violating the 5th amendment by going door to door through neighborhoods randomly? I don't give a single FUCK if ICE can do their jobs today if they have to violate half the damn bill of rights to do it.

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Post by 15155 »

haritha-j wrote: post #217
chinathrow wrote: post #55

If you work for Palantir and if you work on these systems: You have blood on your hands. You know that it's not right what is happening on the ground right now. Do something.

In general, if you're working for Palantir, you're unlikely to find yourself in the right side of history. Whenever you hear of tech being used for questionable purposes, Palantir seems to have their fingers deep in the pie.

Siemens, BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Krupp all seem to be doing just fine today.

Re: The Palantir app helping ICE raids in Minneapolis

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Post by BobaFloutist »

asa400 wrote: post #560
embedding-shape wrote: post #315

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If all those things happened in Spain where I live, I'm 99% we'd have actual riots on the streets, together with a lot of other unpleasant-but-needed civilian action, until things got better, like we've done in the past (sometimes maybe went slightly overboard with it, but better than nothing). Why are Americans so passive? You're literally transitioning into straight up authoritarianism, yet where are the riots? How…

First, all of what you say is true. I'm going to try to add a little context as someone who is here on the ground, in the city in question. There is the imminent threat of mass death, and no one here is under any illusions about it. Every ICE agent is armed, and most have ready access to automatic weapons. These are not well-trained members of an elite organization with a storied, patriotic culture. ICE is a personal…

It's also worth noting that one function of brownshirts and blackshirts is to provoke violence against themselves, seeking to retroactively justify their existence and to justify a further crackdown.

Say all you want about how any protest, no matter how peaceful will be vilified (it will) or about how the entire foundation is built on lies (it is), but we still have some real elections coming up, and the imagery of ICE brutalizing someone who's clearly not an immigrant, not violent, not obstructing is much more rhetorically effective than that of armed clashes between government and non-governmental forces.

And as you said, many of us are still convinced that this can be solved at least partially rhetorically and electorally.

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Post by mosura »

ceejayoz wrote: post #680
mosura wrote: post #671

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So you are opposed to any immigration enforcement then.

Certainly not; I myself held a green card at one point. But that's a bit like responding to "Auschwitz was bad!" with "so you oppose giving free food and housing to Jews?!" I object to how enforcement is being performed, and the collateral damage ICE is willing to inflict on citizens not in their legal purview. Now let's do you. Do you think the President should have a relatively blank check to get away with being co…

Your problem is you want things more than think about them.

The rot of the bureaucracy coming to convenient decisions extends from illegally allowing millions of people to take up residence in the country to convicting people of trumped up nonsense in an obvious attempt to keep them from office to subvert the democratic intent of the people.

This is why Trump and co are the clean up crew before returning to a happier place. It is not a nice job, and nice people wouldn’t be able to do it, but it is a necessary one to prevent things getting so much worse.

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Post by stackghost »

andoando wrote: post #638
stackghost wrote: post #561

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>Most of us don't work at those places. Right, but we should be able to shame, ostracize, and criticize the people that do work at those places because if we don't then it's a tacit approval of what they do. You know that saying about how if you have three people sharing a bench with a Nazi, you actually have four Nazis? Tech has social and political ramifications, the discussion of which is artificially suppressed o…

I just disagree. I don't think you're entitled to shame people because you don't agree with the place they work at all. And I don't agree working at Google or whatever means you're not allowed to privately have a forum where you can talk about tech as a hobby.

>And I don't agree working at Google or whatever means you're not allowed to privately have a forum where you can talk about tech as a hobby.

As far as I can tell nobody's advocating this. Anyone is free to spin up a private instance of a hackernews clone (e.g. [0]) or a phpbb instance, or a discord.

But working at DOGE or Palantir or whatever doesn't mean you're entitled to the freedom from consequences of your actions.

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Post by 15155 »

advisedwang wrote: post #470
rib3ye wrote: post #192

Can anyone explain a user flow for how a Palantir product enables ICE to go from app launch to ‘target arrested’?

My understanding (and I couldn't get past the app paywall) is that Palantir is joining databases from many different federal and state agencies, including passport and driver license photos. The app then allows you to scan a phase and it finds a match. It returns information on the person found, including citizenship. The existence of this technology means that ICE can grab anyone they want, scan their face , and ins…

CBP has been taking photos of all legitimate foreign visitors to the US for over 20 years. I presume any catch-and-release border apprehensions are subject to the same photographs.

How hard is it to do facial recognition on just this dataset in real-time?

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Post by RickJWagner »

foldr wrote: post #677
RickJWagner wrote: post #497

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> I find it hard to believe that any law enforcement agents anywhere would tolerate these actions without similar response. It’s interesting that that’s your perception. In a lot to countries it’s very rare for the police to kill anyone in the sorts of circumstances you’re describing.

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