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Stranger Things creator says turn off “garbage” settings

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neom wrote: post #528
Aurornis wrote: post #521

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> I don't watch TV myself but if I go to someones house and they have the TV on and it's one of those "enhanced" TVs, it boils my blood Let people enjoy things. If you don’t even watch TV yourself, it shouldn’t bother you how other people enjoy their own TV. If someone enjoys frame interpolation for their private watching, so what?

You're right. I've thought that before and made, I guess brief, peace with it...And frankly, it's TV so who cares? All my objections and frustrations are around how it should be enjoyed and how the creative process and artists should be respected all my interpretations of how I think it should be - ofc a recipe for frustration. So you're right: at the end of the day, who cares, if people enjoy the show, they enjoy th…

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Post by nntwozz »

pvdebbe wrote: post #269
drysart wrote: post #255

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That choice was made long before Scorsese made The Godfather; and so has virtually every other movie made over the past century. Real artists understand the limits of the medium they're working in and shape their creations to exist within it. So even if there was no artistic or technical merit in the choice to standardize on 24 FPS, the choice to standardize on 24 FPS shaped the media that came after it. Which means…

>just like Scorsese intended. >before Scorsese made The Godfather Can you let me in on the joke?

It's not a joke it's a mistake! Thanks for the upvotes anyway :]

The director was of course Francis Ford Coppola.

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Post by astrange »

esperent wrote: post #72
astrange wrote: post #69

Dynamic Contrast = Low is needed on LG TVs to actually enable HDR scene metadata or something weird like that. 60->120hz motion smoothing is also useful on OLEDs to prevent visual judder; you want either that or black frame insertion. I have no idea what Super Resolution actually does, it never seems to do anything. Also, as a digital video expert I will allow you to leave motion smoothing on.

I assume super resolution is for upscaling old content. Try it on a 240p YouTube video and see what it does there.

Apparently it's tied to the Sharpness setting in an obscure way such that it depends on the setting for that.

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Post by mjlee »

Y_Y wrote: post #426
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"reference TVs" exist, they're what movies/tv shows are mastered on, e.g. https://flandersscientific.com/XMP551/

$21k for a 55-inch 4K is rough, but this thing must be super delicate because basic US shipping is $500. (Still cheaper than a Netflix subscription though.)

If you account for the wastage/insurance costs using standard freight carriers that seems reasonable to me as a proportion of value. I’m sure this is shipped insured, well packaged and on a pallet.

Walmart might be able to resell a damaged/open box $2k TV at a discount, but I don’t think that’s so easy for speciality calibrated equipment.

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Post by ben_w »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #392
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I agree, but when rewatching older Trek shows it is also a bit infuriating how nothing really has an impact. Last season of TNG they introduced the fact that warp was damaging subspace. That fact was forgotten just a few episodes later. I think Strange New Worlds walks that balancing act particularly well though. A lot of episodes are their own adventure but you do have character development and an overarching story…

> when rewatching older Trek shows it is also a bit infuriating how nothing really has an impact TNG: You get e.g. changes in political relationships between major powers in the Alpha/Beta quadrant, several recurring themes (e.g. Ferengi, Q, Borg), and continuous character development. However, this show does much better job at exploring the Star Trek universe breadth-first, rather than over time. DS9: Had one of the…

> VOY: Different to DS9, with one overarching plot (coming home) that got pushed forward most episodes, despite individual episodes being mostly watchable in random order. They've figured out a way to have things have accumulating impact without strong serialization.

I wouldn't say they had any noticeable accumulating impact.

Kim was always an ensign, system damage never accumulated without a possibility of repair, they fired 123 of their non-replaceable supply of 38 photon torpedoes, the limited power reserves were quickly forgotten, …

Unless you mean they had a few call-back episodes, pretty much the only long-term changes were the doctor's portable holo-emitter, the Delta Flier, Seven replacing Kes, and Janeway's various haircuts.

> True, plenty of dropped arcs in TNG in particular. But often for the better, like in the "damaging subspace" aspect - that one was easy to explain away (fixing warp engines) and was a bad metaphor for ecological anyway; conceptually interesting, but would hinder subsequent stories more than help.

That and beta-cannon is this engine fix is why Voyager's warp engines moved.

The Doylist reason is of course "moving bits look cool".

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Post by hsbauauvhabzb »

omnicognate wrote: post #286
hsbauauvhabzb wrote: post #276

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The purpose of the naming is generally to overwhelm consumers and drive long term repeat buys. You can’t remember if your tv has the fitzbuzz, but you’re damn sure this fancy new tv in the store looks a hell of a lot better than you’re current tv and there really pushing this fitzbuzz thing.

That doesn't preclude clearly documenting what the feature does somewhere in the manual or online. People who either don't care or don't have the mental capacity to understand it won't read it. People who care a lot, such as specialist reviewers or your competitors, will figure it out anyway. I don't see any downside to adding the documentation for the benefit of paying customers who want to make an informed choice a…

Why let a consumer educate themselves as easily as possible when it’s more profitable to deter that behaviour and keep you confused? Especially when some of the tech is entirely false (iirc about a decade ago, TVs were advertised as ‘360hz’ which was not related to the refresh rates).

I’m with you personally, but the companies that sell TVs are not.

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Post by redox99 »

epistasis wrote: post #679
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It's the same idea, a narrated youtube video is meant to have the same volume throughout, while a movie is meant to have quiet and loud parts. The problem, as you say, is that if you don't want to have loud parts, you lower the volume so that loud is not loud anymore, and then the quiet but audible parts become inaudibly quiet. I consider this to be a separate issue to the lack of clarity of internal speakers, and a…

That the entire problem is intentional does not make it any less of a defect. Intentionally making audio uncomfortable is not a sign of art or skill, it's a sign of delivering a bad product.

The audio is not uncomfortable, 75 dB is a reasonable calibration level for a home setup (your average scene will be much quieter).

75 dB in real life is your typical restaurant, office, etc.

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Post by mnky9800n »

tsss wrote: post #524
mnky9800n wrote: post #282

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I wish there was more Holly and her character was developed more. She’s interesting in a world of nerds as a girl who likes girl things. Like it’s an interesting character moment when she sees the bandana and goes to find it because her fashion is important to her. And then they crammed in all this character development when she dumps on Max that she feels guilty for everything. Basically I think the main problem wit…

All of what you said is accurate, but the problems are unfixable at this point, for two reasons: 1. Millie Bobbie Brown, the actor of Eleven, is unfathomably stupid (watch any out-of-character interview with her) and the role has simply outgrown her acting abilities. They can't make Eleven do anything interesting because Millie can't act it. 2. Writers have introduced so many supporting characters and separate story…

Did you watch Dark, the German show?

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Post by tsss »

mnky9800n wrote: post #708
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All of what you said is accurate, but the problems are unfixable at this point, for two reasons: 1. Millie Bobbie Brown, the actor of Eleven, is unfathomably stupid (watch any out-of-character interview with her) and the role has simply outgrown her acting abilities. They can't make Eleven do anything interesting because Millie can't act it. 2. Writers have introduced so many supporting characters and separate story…

Did you watch Dark, the German show?

I did. Presumably you are asking because it has even more characters. I found it hard to follow (despite speaking German) but I don't think it suffers from the same problem as Stranger Things because many of the characters are just the same person at different times and thus the character can get enough screen time for development.

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Post by Crontab »

robhlt wrote: post #624
burnte wrote: post #535

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The problem with filmmaker mode is I don't trust it more than other modes. It would take no effort at all for a TV maker to start fiddling whit "filmmaker mode" to boost colors or something to "get an edge", then everyone does it, and we're back to where we started. I just turn them off and leave it that way. Companies have already proven time and again they'll make changes we don't like just because they can, so it'…

"Filmmaker mode" is a trademark of the UHD Alliance, so if TV makers want to deviate from the spec they can't call it "Filmmaker mode" anymore. There's a few different TV makers in the UHD Alliance so there's an incentive for the spec to not have wiggle room that one member could exploit to the determent of the others.

That's cool info. Thanks!
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