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Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by megous »

andrepd wrote: post #68
megous wrote: post #25

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Not much. Even the argument that AI is another tool to strip people of power is not that great. It's possible to use AI chatbots against the system of power, to help detect and point out manipulation, or lack of nuance in arguments, or political texts. To help decipher legalese in contracts, or point out problematic passages in terms of use. To help with interactions with the sate, even non-trivial ones like FOI requ…

Yes, the black box that has been RLHF'd in god knows what way is surely going to help you gain power, and not its owners...

Actually yes. It's not either/or.

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Post by JustExAWS »

HWR_14 wrote: post #699
JustExAWS wrote: post #681

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If you are “consulting” on an hourly rate, you’re doing it wrong. The company and I get paid for delivering projects not the number of hours we work. A smaller project may just say they have me for 6 weeks with known deliverable. I’m rarely working 40 hours a week. When I did do one short term project independently, I gave them the amount I was going to charge for the project based on the requirements. All consulting…

You are kind of dodging the question. It sounds like you are not making more money or working fewer hours because of AI.

I am working fewer hours. I at most work 4 hours a day unless it’s a meeting heavy day. I haven’t typed a line of code in the last 8 months yet I’ve produced just as much work as I did before LLMs.

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Post by trinsic2 »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #484
mattgreenrocks wrote: post #311

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> This is the culture that replaced hacker culture. Somewhere along the lines of "everybody can code," we threw out the values and aesthetics that attracted people in the first place. What began as a rejection of externally imposed values devolved into a mouthpiece of the current powers and principalities. This is evidenced by the new set of hacker values being almost purely performative when compared against the old…

We need to talk seriously and plainly about the spiritual and existential damage done by LLMs. I'm tempted to say "You're not helping," as my eyes roll back in their sockets far enough to hurt. But I can also understand how threatening LLMs must appear to programmers, writers, and artists who aren't very good at their jobs. What I don't get is why I should care.

Have you seen the latest AI slop in game design lately, destroying human creativity?

Have you seen how this tech is being used to control narratives to subjugate populations to the will of authoritarian governments?

This shit is real. We are slowly sliding into a world where every aspect of our lives are going to be dictated by people in power with tools that can shape the future by manipulating what people think about.

If you don't care that the world is burning to the ground, good luck with that. Im not saying the tech is necessarily bad, its the way in which we are allowing it to be used. There has to be controls is place to steer this tech in the right direction or we are heading for a world I don't want to be apart of.

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Post by trinsic2 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #462
easterncalculus wrote: post #244

> I find it particularly disillusioning to realize how deep the LLM brainworm is able to eat itself even into progressive hacker circles. That's the thing, hacker circles didn't always have this 'progressive' luddite mentality. This is the culture that replaced hacker culture. I don't like AI, generally. I am skeptical of corporate influence, I doubt AI 2027 and so-called 'AGI'. I'm certain we'll be "five years away"…

> All that said, the actual workday is absolutely filled with busy work that no one really wants to do, and the refusal of a loud minority to engage with that fact is what's leading to this. The attitude and push back from this loud minority has always been weird to me. Ever since I got my hands on my first computer as a kid, I've been outsourcing parts of my brain to computing so that I can focus on more interesting…

When you off load that stuff to a computer, you loose cognitive abilities. Heck Im even being careful how much I use mapping tools now because I want to know where I am going and how I get there.

FYI: I do not work for any corporations, I provide technical services directly to the public. So there is really concerns about this tech by everyday people that do not have a stake in keeping a job.

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Post by Glemkloksdjf »

vladms wrote: post #561
Glemkloksdjf wrote: post #466

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We need to change the underlying system. We do not need to do things no one needs. We do not need a million differen webshops, and the next CRUD application. We need a system which allows the earth resources being used as efficient and fair as possible. Then we can again start apprechiating real craftmanship but not for critical things and not because we need to feed ourselves but because we want to do it.

Each time someone says "we" without asking me I find it at least insulting. With this mindset the next step might be to tell me what I need, without considering my opinion. Yes, the current system seems flawed, but is the best we came up with and is not fixed either, it is slowly evolving. Yes, some resources are finite (energy from the sun seems quite plenty though), but don't think we will be ever able to define "f…

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Post by Summershard »

embedding-shape wrote: post #20

> And yeah, I get it. We programmers are currently living through the devaluation of our craft, in a way and rate we never anticipated possible. I'm a programmer, been coding professionally for 10 something years, and coding for myself longer than that. What are they talking about? What is this "devaluation"? I'm getting paid more than ever for a job I feel like I almost shouldn't get paid for (I'm just having fun),…

The amount of negativity your positive comment has received looks almost overwhelming. I remember HN being a much happier place a few years ago. Perhaps I should take a break from it.

People working in one of the coolest industries on Earth really do not appreciate their lives nowadays.

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Post by em-bee »

swaits wrote: post #585
spot5010 wrote: post #392

"I personally don’t touch LLMs with a stick. I don’t let them near my brain. Many of my friends share that sentiment." Any software engineer who shares this sentiment is doing their career a disservice. LLMs have their pitfalls, and I have been skeptical of their capabilities, but nevertheless I have tried them out earnestly. The progress of AI coding assistants over the past year has been remarkable, and now they ar…

It’s some mixture of luddites, denial, ignorance, and I don’t know what else. I’m not sure what these people are NOT seeing. Maybe I’m somehow fortunate with visibility into what AI can do today, and what it will do tomorrow. But I’m not doing anything special. Just paying attention and keeping an open mind. I’ve been at this for 40 years, working professionally for more than 30. I’ve seen lots. One pattern I’ve seen…

some of us learn from the bad experience of others, like this sibling comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46061520

it already tells me enough to stay away from using AI tools for coding. and that's just one reason, if i consider all the others, then that's more than enough.

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Post by em-bee »

flir wrote: post #99
prmph wrote: post #69

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Tools are not value neutral in any way. In my third world country, motorbikes, scooters, etc have exploded in popularity and use in the past decade. Many people riding these things have made the roads much more dangerous for all, but particularly for them. They keep dying by the hundreds per month, not only just due to the fact that they choose to ride them at all, but how they ride them: on busy high speed highways,…

> A motorbike wants to be ridden that way That's a lovely example. But is the dangerous thing the bike, or the infrastructure, or the system that means you're late for work? I completely get what you're saying. I was thinking of tools in the narrowest possible way - of the tool in isolation (I could use this gun as a doorstop). You're thinking of the tool's interface with its environment (in the real world nobody use…

it's the motorbike.

there is no safe way to ride a motorbike. even with save infrastructure, all the amount of protection that you can wear, no stress riding away from traffic, a freak accident can still kill you. there is no adequate protection for riding at that speed.

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Post by ttul »

miningape wrote: post #593
ttul wrote: post #236

This post raises genuine concerns about the integration of large language models into creative and technical work, and the author writes with evident passion about what they perceive as a threat to human autonomy and craft. BUT… the piece suffers from internal contradictions, selective reasoning, and rhetorical moves that undermine its own arguments in ways worth examining carefully. My opinion: This sort of low-evid…

Claude, summarise this for me

I wrote this, and honestly when I read it, I also want to reach for the LLM.

Re: I don't care how well your "AI" works

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Post by CamperBob2 »

trinsic2 wrote: post #703
CamperBob2 wrote: post #484

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We need to talk seriously and plainly about the spiritual and existential damage done by LLMs. I'm tempted to say "You're not helping," as my eyes roll back in their sockets far enough to hurt. But I can also understand how threatening LLMs must appear to programmers, writers, and artists who aren't very good at their jobs. What I don't get is why I should care.

Have you seen the latest AI slop in game design lately, destroying human creativity? Have you seen how this tech is being used to control narratives to subjugate populations to the will of authoritarian governments? This shit is real. We are slowly sliding into a world where every aspect of our lives are going to be dictated by people in power with tools that can shape the future by manipulating what people think abo…

Have you seen the latest AI slop in game design lately, destroying human creativity?

This just in: 90% of everything is crap. AI does not, cannot, and will not change that.

Have you seen how this tech is being used to control narratives to subjugate populations to the will of authoritarian governments?

Can't say as I have.

The only authoritarians in this thread are the ones telling us what we should and should not be allowed to do with AI.

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