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Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by hackernoops »

miohtama wrote: post #425
ljm wrote: post #358

Fundamentally, I think the issue is more about technical literacy amongst the political establishment who consistently rely on the fallacy that having nothing to hide means you have nothing to fear. Especially in the UK which operates as a paternalistic state and enjoys authoritarian support across all parties. On the authoritarianism: these laws are always worded in such a way that they can be applied or targeted va…

Furthermore, one UK head of state call everyone supporting encryption pedophiles https://x.com/BenWallace70/status/1892972120818299199

Ironic.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by sneak »

nashashmi wrote: post #540
wrs wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how can you “pull” E2E encryption without data loss You can’t. The article says if you don’t disable it (which you have to do yourself, they can’t do it for you, because it’s E2E), your iCloud account will be canceled.

At this point, the right thing to do is allow for an alt-service.

Apple has an organization-wide mandate for services revenue.

Every product must make money on an ongoing basis, every month. That's why you get constantly spammed to subscribe to things on iOS.

Apple will never drop this anticompetitive practice of favoring their services until they are legally compelled to.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by sneak »

jl6 wrote: post #225
ComputerGuru wrote: post #199

Note that this doesn’t satisfy the government’s original request, which was for worldwide backdoor access into E2E-encrypted cloud accounts. But I have a more pertinent question: how can you “pull” E2E encryption without data loss? What happens to those that had this enabled? Edit: Part of my concern is that you have to keep in mind Apple's defense against backdooring E2E is the (US) doctrine that work cannot be comp…

We are told the encryption keys reside only on your device. But Apple control “your” device so they can just issue an update that causes your device to decrypt data and upload it.

Apple do not remotely control devices, and automatic updates are not mandatory.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by sneak »

freeqaz wrote: post #198
Goleniewski wrote: post #186

Think about it.. You don't even have to be an Apple user to be affected by this issue. If someone backs up their conversations with you to apple cloud, your exchange is now fair game. You get no say in it either. We all lose.

That's why it's important to use apps like Signal where you can set the retention of your messages. I've got everybody I know using it now!

I use a patched Signal client that disables retention deletion and remote delete messages.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by raincole »

bitpush wrote: post #629
dclowd9901 wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps Apple has a greater leverage in China due to its outsized manufacturing presence. And it's likely they already dont offer ADP to Chinese citizens.

lol you think Apple has more leverage than China? What world are you living in?

A world where HN commentators can read English.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by cryptonector »

hackernoops wrote: post #700
cryptonector wrote: post #598

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They don't even need control. They want control. Why? Either they're idiots who think they need control or they are tyrants who know they'll need control later on when they start doing seriously tyrannical things.

It's the latter.

Of course it is.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by imperial_march »

Cornbilly wrote: post #466
IceHegel wrote: post #430

I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.

The unspoken part of that is Vance likely thinks that the people should fear their government.

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by imperial_march »

gnfargbl wrote: post #563
IceHegel wrote: post #430

I'm sympathetic to the J.D. Vance angle, which is that European governments are increasingly scared of their own people. This is not doing a lot to change my mind.

To give you a counterpoint: from this side of the pond it is extremely surprising to see how effective Vance's speech has been in distracting a good proportion of the American public. Which, I have to suspect, was the real point.

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Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by staplers »

jbjbjbjb wrote: post #605
redeeman wrote: post #574

Earlier quoted context omitted.

opinion: any government that "needs" such control, is an enemy of the people and must be abolished, and anyone can morally and ethically do so

Well it’s important that the argument is correct. They view ending end-to-end encryption as a way to restore the effectiveness of traditional warrants. It isn’t necessarily about mass surveillance and the implementation could prevent mass surveillance but allow warrants. I oppose that because end to end encryption is still possible by anyone with something to hide, it is trivial to implement. I think governments shou…

  governments should just take the L in the interest of freedom
This was written into the US constitution. Unfortunately, most either don't know or care that it's all but ignored in practice.

Re: Apple pulls data protection tool after UK government security row

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Post by imperial_march »

lrdd wrote: post #15

As a citizen, I don’t understand what the UK government thinks they are getting here - other than the possibility of leaks of the nation’s most sensitive data. Also is it not possible to set up my Apple account outside of the UK while living here?

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