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Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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> the words are all about alignment, benefiting humanity and such. that's why you only consider the actions taken, not the words spoken. And in fact, i fail to believe that there are any real altruists out there. Esp. not rich ones. After all, if they're really altruistic, they would've given all their wealth away - before their supposed death (and even then, i doubt the money given to their "charitable foundations"…

Not necessarily. Money keeps you in the game. Giving it all away means you are at the bottom being not that effective. And you can donate money in your will.

If you only give money away at your death, are you really giving it away? What else are you gonna do with it?

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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And by "actually comprehend" that means to accept arbitrary input, identify it, identify it's functional sub-components, identify each sub-component's functional nature as used by the larger entity, and then identify how each functional aspect combines to create the larger, more complex final entity. Doing this generically with arbitrary inputs is comprehension, is artificial general intelligence.

i think the point trying to be made is mimicry and derivation are hard for us to discern from an AI. there is some complex definition for AGI that exists, but the fact laypeople cant make the determination, will always result in the GP comment

Or maybe there's no secret sauce for intelligence and if the system / organism can display all that functionality then should just say it's intelligent.

I don't have a strong opinion either way, but I'm not convinced by the "secret sauce" / internal monologue school of intelligence.

If we want to be pragmatic, we should just think about smart tests and just assume it's intelligent if the system passes those tests. It's what we do with other people (I don't really know if they feel inside like I do, but given they are the same biological beings, it sounds quite likely)

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Almost no one is talking about Brett. Either he is here to scare Musk, or - more likely IMO - to act as a Musk lightning rod. Musk takeover part 2?

Have you guys considered that maybe he's there because he's extremely qualified and extremely well-respected by his peers? It's not some kind of weird power play, he's just lending a hand while they figure out the long-term board composition.

He’s extremely qualified and is one of the most influential people in the world.

It’s just comparable to a player competing against a team with a teammate who they didn’t like. There’s definitely some added drama.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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That is f'ing scary because I think I've read a letter or two just like that.

> I've read a letter or two just like that. So did the LLM. Likely thousands as non-fiction, perhaps magnitudes more as fiction, satirical, or speculative. And I bet I'm still missing zeroes — countless business leaders have been writing this drivel a long time. It's hard for us to keep in mind the sheer scope of online copy. Less hard for LLMs, that's why they feel to me like magic in the Arthur C Clarke sense. I ha…

In my eyes, the LLM took very generic high-level instructions, interpreted them correctly, and then followed the instructions to generate output text that was similar to what it had seen before.

What it didn't do was to just use the input prompt as the key into a gigantic lookup table and find the corresponding output text.

A different example of this is when an LLM can correctly interpret a sentence like "the trumpet did not fit in the suitcase because it was too big / small".

Here, "big" would refer to the trumpet, while "small" would refer to the suitcase. This becomes important when translating to German, where "the" comes in different flavors for "trumpet" and "suitcase".

ChatGPT interprets this correctly. It can also explain in detail why "too big" / "too small" makes sense or not for the different interpretations.

You could argue that this is still just a lookup response. But I have a hard time seeing how it can have stored so many different variants in the amount of bytes that the LLM is made up of?

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ChatGPT explanation for trumpet / suitcase:

Let's delve into the logic and reasoning behind which noun the size descriptor applies to in each of your sentences:

"The trumpet did not fit in the suitcase because it was too big."

In this sentence, the logical interpretation is that the trumpet is too large to fit inside the suitcase. It's understood that if an object doesn't fit into a container, the issue is typically that the object is too large for the container's capacity.

Hence, "it was too big" naturally refers to the trumpet, not the suitcase. It wouldn't make much sense to say a suitcase is "too big" to contain something; if the suitcase were bigger, it would more likely accommodate the trumpet.

"The trumpet did not fit in the suitcase because it was too small."

Here, the logical understanding is that the suitcase is too small to contain the trumpet. When an object doesn't fit into a container due to size, and the descriptor is "too small," it implies that the container isn't large enough.

In this case, "it was too small" refers to the suitcase. If the sentence intended to say the trumpet was too small, it would contradict the idea of not fitting; a smaller trumpet would more likely fit into the suitcase, not less.

In both sentences, the key is understanding how size descriptors (big, small) interact with the concept of fitting something into something else. The size issue that prevents the fitting is logically attributed to the object that needs to be accommodated (the trumpet) in terms of being too big, or to the accommodating object (the suitcase) in terms of being too small.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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A disappointing coup that ends with exactly the same status quo as before. Second one this year already!

Well not quite, the board doesn’t have a couple of unqualified independent directors any longer.

Prigozhin is dead too.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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The company was supposed to be funded by Elon who pledged a billion. Then he bailed when his coup failed. Sam Altman had to find a sponsor, or have the company go bankrupt in a matter of weeks. What's hard to comprehend here? As for the models topping your Hugging Face chart, they're literally all funded (by the billion ) by private enterprises and the US govt. It's baffling to me how this is supposed to be an argume…

You're either pretending or incapable of understanding the point that is being reiterated in this thread. The OpenAI company, that was supposed to be non-profit open research think lab, has been taking investments of dozens of millions from different funds, while producing highest quality research material for the public good. Up to the point when the CEO sold it for Microsoft's $1B deal that solved their infra & GPU…

I'll make it super-simple for you.

OpenAI, the original non-profit, DIED. Elon Musk pulled the funding, it DIED. It's DEAD, get it? It does not exist without money. I don't know how to get it through your head. There's no such thing as a serious AI company without billions of funding. Period.

So. Given that, to keep the team together, Sam made the for-profit subsidiary and hosted it in the hollowed out non-profit, Sam went out to get investors and Microsoft chimed in the most.

While the new hybrid OpenAI tries to respect the spirit of the original OpenAI... WHICH IS DEAD (GET IT?)... it has to also balance between non-profit mission, and its investors, thanks to which it exists at all.

That's kind of like maybe you think you're a world-leading poet and novel writer, but your boss doesn't care, he wants those toilets clean. That's what he's paying for. You can then use that money to spend your free time writing poems.

Not sure I have to respect the rest of your BS with an answer. "Oh the other megacorp LLMs are just few months behind GPT4". Newsflash! OpenAI also exists within... time, genius. Time is passing there, too. And GPT-5 is ready and few Fortune 100 companies are testing it currently. They're not sitting still and waiting for the others to catch up.

I never said other companies can't compete, in general, but they're no better than OpenAI. Amazon, Google, Inflection, Facebook are no better than OpenAI. They're not. And I never mentioned anything about Worldcoin, you're basically desperate to strawman this, but you are exceptionally bad at it.

Did I say you don't have the slightest, faintest, most distant idea what you're talking about? Anyway this is my last message.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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It's called "spin" in a press release/marketing, but we on the outside call it a lie, yes. It wouldn't shock me to learn all of the events that took place were to get worldwide attention, and strengthen their financial footprint. I'd imagine not being able to be fired, and having the entire company ready to quit to follow you, sends a pretty clear signal to all VC that hitching your cart to any other AI wagon is suic…

Because LLMs from competitors already have real use? Ex. kagi.com uses claude by anthropic [1]. [1] https://help.kagi.com/kagi/ai/assistant.html

Yeah but their CEO can be fired, which would be who the VCs backed

EDIT: The fact that me, average joe, knows all about open ai and its CEO, and even some of its engineers, yet didn't know Kagi was doing anything with AI until your comment, tells me that Kagi is not any sort of competition, not as far as VCs are concerned, anyway.

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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Although we have, as yet, no idea what he was actually refering to, I believe the source of the tension may be related to the statements Sam made the night before he was fired. "I think this is going to be the greatest leap forward that we've had yet so far, and the greatest leap forward of any of the big technological revolutions we've had so far. so i'm super excited, i can't imagine anything more exciting to work…

What's the source of those comments?

Sam Altman at the APEC conference, taking part in a panel, along with Google and Meta AI people. Actually, it's quite amusing hearing Google exec define AI as Google translate, and Sam's response to that. https://youtu.be/ZFFvqRemDv8?t=770

Re: Sam Altman returns as CEO, OpenAI has a new initial board

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From a doomer/EA perspective, publicly saying that GPT5 is AGI or such would likely inspire & accelerate labs around the world to catch up. Thus it was more "Altruistic" / aligned with humanity's fate to stay mum and leave the situation cloudy.

No, it would not; they are already trying to catch up.

If you know the outcome is favourable then you go all in. Right now the other competitors are just trying to match GPT4, if they knew AGI was achievable then they would throw everything they have at it in order to not be left out.
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