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Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Post by mkopinsky »

jakewins wrote: post #203
soco wrote: post #153

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In Switzerland you'd get called by the teacher if you don't let your kid walk by itself to kindergarten, because independence and learning and all.

We just moved to Sweden from Missouri; yesterday I picked up our 3yo from daycare and had this exchange: Kid: Teacher: Oh, by the way, he fell out of a small tree today, he was climbing and fell, so he may have a small bruise, just so you are aware Me: Oh ok. What tree? Teacher: Oh we took them to and grilled hot dogs today! Kid: I found a snail!

How did they get to that forest 5 miles away?

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

yunwal wrote: post #408
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #176

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This strikes me as crazy. Every interaction with any human or inanimate object bears the risk of death, it's just so low it's not worth thinking about it. U.S. police kill about ~1000 people per year, and the vast majority of those aren't at all questionable. If there are 330,000,000 people in the U.S., that's 0.000303% of the population per year. Each person has, on average, maybe 10 contentious police interactions…

The worry about police violence is really misplaced worry about the effects of a broken justice system. It's not just that police kill unarmed, non-violent black teens. It's that "they" (the justice system as a whole) also lock people up for non-violent drug offenses, put a felony on their record, condemning them to a life without job opportunities. Then "they" kick them out of their homes when they're late on their…

I think we agree. The justice system could be a lot better. We should incarcerate many fewer people. The War on Drugs should end. We need to figure out a way to reduce crime in black communities that doesn't involve intense policing and locking so many people up.

As for police shootings being a symbol, I see your point. I would make the alteration that it's unjust police shootings that are the symbols. Most are some variation on, "Crazed knife-wielding man shot down by police after stabbing two".

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

klyrs wrote: post #445
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #396

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I think it makes sense for third parties (us) to "care" when something like the headline happens. We should make it clear to those involved that it's not acceptable (we should try to punish them), and we should try to help aggrieved parties. But no, you should not "care" in the sense of worrying about it happening to yourself. The probability is so small it's not worth it, along with an infinity of other freak occurr…

The [Fine] Article > We should make it clear to those involved that it's not acceptable (we should try to punish them), and we should try to help aggrieved parties. Here, we agree. But when you cite statistics in the manner you did, you're arguing against cloistering myself and my child in our home, quaking in fear of the improbable: beating on a straw-man. If you re-read the last line of my first comment, you may no…

Yep, we need to make the police more public servants and less a paramilitary force. I think it's probably going to mean we build a society that shares more values in order for that to happen. That's going to be hard. In my mind, a lot of the problem is that the U.S. is a very large country with very different sub-populations with very different values. It's a challenge. Running New Zealand or Norway is way easier.

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Post by NoImmatureAdHom »

maxfurman wrote: post #301
NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #176

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This strikes me as crazy. Every interaction with any human or inanimate object bears the risk of death, it's just so low it's not worth thinking about it. U.S. police kill about ~1000 people per year, and the vast majority of those aren't at all questionable. If there are 330,000,000 people in the U.S., that's 0.000303% of the population per year. Each person has, on average, maybe 10 contentious police interactions…

> the vast majority of those aren't at all questionable Citation needed

Sorry, I don't have one to hand. It's a reasonable request, though. I've gone through the data carefully in the past, and I can say the vast majority are variations on, "Knife-wielding man shot down by police after stabbing two". They don't make national news because they make perfect sense. It's just cops doing what they're supposed to be doing. The ones that do make the news are killings where there are indications of impropriety, and those make up the set of examples you carry around in your head, which is why you're suspicious.

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Post by acdha »

NoImmatureAdHom wrote: post #526
pessimizer wrote: post #427

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> So, if you're young, black, male, and running around Chicago I did this without the drugs and guns part, and had guns drawn on me three times growing up in Chicago for the crime of walking. If I had been killed, I'm sure it would have been coded in a way for you not to see it as a problem.

My point is exactly that your experience is very unusual

It’s unusual for white people. Every black and Hispanic person I know has stories about how they had to worry about violence while living their lives normally.

For example, a friend’s partner shared a story about the time he went to a big conference (maybe the VMware one?) in Atlanta. He was fairly senior at HP and no more threatening looking than any other middle-aged IT guy … and was the only pulled over on the way back to his hotel by a cop who was suspicious about a black man driving a nice rental car. His evening involved a very tense hour sitting on the side of the road while a southern cop straight out of a stereotype asked a ton of questions and “asked” to inspect the car while patting his gun.

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Post by jakewins »

mkopinsky wrote: post #701
jakewins wrote: post #203

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We just moved to Sweden from Missouri; yesterday I picked up our 3yo from daycare and had this exchange: Kid: Teacher: Oh, by the way, he fell out of a small tree today, he was climbing and fell, so he may have a small bruise, just so you are aware Me: Oh ok. What tree? Teacher: Oh we took them to and grilled hot dogs today! Kid: I found a snail!

How did they get to that forest 5 miles away?

The city has buses specifically equipped for small kids / toddlers, which the various daycares take turns using

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Post by HDThoreaun »

mox1 wrote: post #27
bradlys wrote: post #19

Police just power tripping as usual. I wonder why they don't name and shame the officers - clearly these are the people doing wrong and should be removed from their positions.

The local DA is the person to look to here. Cops don't persecute cases. Clearly the cops started this stupid ball rolling, but anyone at the local attorneys office could have just chosen not to persecute. Instead they offered the plea deal.

Cops don’t prosecute cases, they definitely persecute though.

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Post by Thlom »

cbsmith wrote: post #660
P_I_Staker wrote: post #641

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You are the reason we have a violent oppressive police state (and one that’s racist to boot). Look at the hoops you’re willing to jump through to apologize for this behavior… the banality of evil. “Of course it’s reasonable to report a parent because their child went for a stroll. Then the police would have no choice, but to charge her with a felony; laws the law. Then of course CPS must follow procedure; the kids co…

You're reading a lot into autoexec's comments that aren't actually there (maybe it's from this ProPublica story that I can't find a reference to?). There was no comment about how it was reasonable to make the phone call, and there's specific criticism of the police conduct... All they said was that at the point CPS got involved, it's entirely possible that CPS did their job exactly as they should have. I would point…

>There was no comment about how it was reasonable to make the phone call, and there's specific criticism of the police conduct... All they said was that at the point CPS got involved, it's entirely possible that CPS did their job exactly as they should have.

I would suspect the first step of any investigation would be to find out why they are investigating and not just set everything in motion based on a vague report from police?

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Post by notch656a »

origin_path wrote: post #685
notch656a wrote: post #329

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LOL, let me tell you what happens if you say "fuck off" to an elderly lady if you are a normal dude. The retired lady, with nothing to do with her time all days, will sit back and scheme about the interaction. She will decide you are an adversary, disrespectful man who needs to be put in his place after 'abusing' an elderly citizen and a child. You have maybe 1,2 free hours a day to deal with unexpected things that c…

A fix: legal penalties for filing false or irrelevant CPS reports.

IANAL but I think there also are no legal penalties for filling out a restraining order for crazy old ladies who threaten your family. In some states, the judges apparently issue them "because it was filled out right" [0], and a after it's ordered the bitch could be thrown in jail if she accidently gets with X yards of your family and could have her gun rights taken away.

Note: Not legal advice

[0] http://www.dvmen.org/dv-16.htm

Re: Mom handcuffed, jailed for 8-year-old son walking half a mile

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Post by elzbardico »

zhivota wrote: post #593
elzbardico wrote: post #569

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"We can have freedom for them to play outside if we only live in a rural area (...) where the politics of everyone nearby will be opposite our own." Have you ever considered the remote possibility of your politics being the reason behind the dystopian future you see arising around you?

I have considered that the political party most aligned with my beliefs has made mistakes which have exacerbated the issues in some cases. However, I believe the other party would make things worse in important ways. As far as my personal politics, no, the things I believe in do not drive us towards this dystopia. I believe in urbanism (including public transit, cycling and other micromobility, higher density, and ot…

Thanks for your civil and intelligent response. It gave me food for thought.
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