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87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Avamander »

Markoff wrote: post #697
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

What sucks about Xiaomi 12/12X or Pixel 6A for instance? S22 would be also nice phone if it were not for not so great battery life (and most of the people won't notice slow shutter). There are plenty of great phones depending on what's your requirements, now if you want SMALL Android phone you have very limited options with lots of compromises usually, if you don't care about size too much there are plenty of good op…

> What sucks about Xiaomi 12/12X [...]

Does that Xiaomi model come without ads? The fact that I even have to ask that is an indicator on its own.

> What sucks about [...] Pixel 6A for instance?

But what's better? The price is pretty much the same.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Avamander »

matheusmoreira wrote: post #472
eatsyourtacos wrote: post #116

I hate apple with a passion for not opening up iMessage, but here we are. That being said, I am getting my first iPhone in just a few days because I am sick of the 100000 choices between android phones that all suck in one way or another. I don't believe they will last more than a few years if my last samsung is any indication. And I don't give a crap about what android can do- I just want a phone that works. So I gu…

My next smartphone is gonna be an iPhone as well. Android is becoming ever more locked down, hardware attestation is already a thing and there's really no reason for apps to not require it. What's the point of putting up with Android's imperfections and Google's bullshit if my rooted and customized phone can't run the apps I need because I "tampered" with it? Might as well get an iPhone.

I'm in the exact same boat. It's not that I don't like Android, I've even built custom ROMs and still write code for Android apps monthly, it's just that it has lost its value as a daily driver.

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Post by lostlogin »

Sjeiti wrote: post #639
stjohnswarts wrote: post #618

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Most people use their phone for far more than SMS and "phoning" these days. You are an anomaly these days. That's neither good nor bad, it just is.

I'm on my fifth smartphone (since 2009). But I've always used Android. It could be that iOS users are more inclined to replace perfectly working hardware.

Not all of us.

Gigantic phones are off putting. Every few years Apple tries making a mini and that’s the time to buy.

I’m fairly tall and have size appropriate hands (I think). I struggle to reach the top corners of my 12 mini. It’s very irritating.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Avamander »

nilsleep wrote: post #469
asciimov wrote: post #129

Best things about the iPhone: - long term support - can expect a new device to get 5-6 years of Apple Updates - AppleCare - better build quality than cheap android devices - Reasonable expectation that required software will support it - Not having to listen to a teen complain about what their friends have that they don't - Finally, Updates, APPLE SUPPORTED UPDATES! - I'm really salty that my android phones had to be…

You forgot three very important points: - Privacy. Apple didn't built their business on milking people's data unlike google and so many others. - Security. Among many other factors the walled garden does provide a higher degree of security compared to Android. - Performance. Not only iPhones completely destroy Android in terms of performance and optimisation but the fact they are so performant make them great long te…

> - Security. Among many other factors the walled garden does provide a higher degree of security compared to Android.

Depends on the specific perspective.

I think the effort that has gone into securing Linux globally has and will continue to yield better results than Apple can achieve on their own with an opaque stack. Exploit prices also seem to correlate to some extent.

But I also do think it's better in terms of average end-user.

Re: 87% of American teens own an iPhone; 88% expect an iPhone to be their next phone

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Post by Avamander »

eagsalazar2 wrote: post #231
tristor wrote: post #190

Interestingly, I am a heavy Apple user, and I am trying to convince my teenage daughter and wife to use iPhone and have offered them iPhone and Apple Watch, and they have strongly preferred to stay on Android. I think it's unsurprising most people use / want to use an iPhone in the US, because it has a network effect with iMessage and it's clearly a superior experience for the average person. But, globally that netwo…

It is not clearly a better experience. Give me a break. 99% of the time it is a grid of icons that launches apps. The notification area on Android is far superior and is actually quite useful compared to iOS where it is a jumbled mess. Apps on both platforms, more and more, are virtually identical. If you want integration with apple watch, then great use apple but your blanket statement about superior experience is e…

Like the person you've replied to, I have built custom ROMs and still do Android development, and I agree with their assessment. Will you dismiss my opinion as well? What is your metric based on which you label people fanboys?

Notifications might be better, but the random bugs and glitches, endless vendor whims and all the inconsistencies are simply not worth it. Holistically iOS and its ecosystem are more consistent, faster and have fewer bugs. If you add the entire Apple ecosystem to the mix, it is a clearly better experience.

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Post by kuschku »

hacym wrote: post #640
daneel_w wrote: post #193

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Which is still not a budget option. Not in hardware quality, not in customer/product support, not in price. It's a premium product in every way.

What is a budget option, then? The reality is that most people get these phones for free with trade ins to AT&T or Verizon.

The budget option is the phone I can get for 150€ without plan, and then combine it with a separate 5€/month plan from my carrier.

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Post by eternityforest »

hacym wrote: post #638
eternityforest wrote: post #280

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It's in practice mostly open, anyone can make apps for it, they give you enough APIs for things like Tile to actually work, and it's pretty much hassle free. Stuff just works. It uses tiny amounts of power on cheap hardware and still is always reasonably performant. It's very discoverable and convenience oriented, there's no gestural control stuff(Aside from the hideous pull to refresh feature that I hate, which I'd…

I’ve been an iOS user for about 5 years now. I switched from Android because after 6 months of owning an Android-based phone it was practically unusable form a performance standpoint. The hardware companies used was low quality. The experience with Samsung, Motorola, etc. bloatware and half-baked features basically forced you to root and flash the device if you wanted a decent experience. iOS may be a walled garden,…

I haven't noticed any of that for years, although phones before maybe 2018 or so definitely had some horrific lag(Think low end PC from 2014 with no SSD and 10 crapwares running at once level bad) at times, although they mostly stayed usable.

I do see very occasionally delays when turning on from sleep, but I also have way too many apps installed and my phone is a year past support.

In practice Androids are also used well past the update period, until either it physically breaks, or you hear of a CVE that bothers you more than the cost of a new phone would.

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Post by yourusername »

formerly_proven wrote: post #692
pjmlp wrote: post #645

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Not in most European or African countries, majority is on pre-paid, and phones only get replaced when there is an actual reason, not that two years have gone by.

~80 % market share for contracts (post-paid) in Germany: https://www.statista.com/topics/7772/mobile-communications-i...

I'm on a post paid contract but i haven't had a phone subsidy in a long time. If you want a "free" iphone/android you can lease the phone (effectively it's a personal loan paid back over 2 years).

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Post by bloqs »

parski wrote: post #677
bloqs wrote: post #322

Americans, do people not use whatsapp over there? In Europe everyone uses whatsapp for literally everything, with a sprinkling of Telegram if you are into something a little subversive and Signal if you actually care about privacy. The only time I use text/sms is to recieve codes for things, and I'm doing that less and less.

I live in northern Europe and the only people I know use WhatsApp are immigrants and children of immigrants that use it to communicate with people in the old country.

I know a large number of Northern Europeans and I speak to them all via whatsapp. Unusual!
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