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YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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The song contains the line "The pandemic ain't real/They just planned it". I believe that the solution to incorrect or dangerous speech is only more speech and oppose YouTube's takedown. However, it's absurd to say this is "political" and thus not medical misinformation. It's clearly a political statement in support of a political movement that maliciously lies about public health.

So not even art can contain lies now? Will I am the walrus be fact checked next?

You have the right to make art with lies. If the general gist suggests you intend to be taken seriously and the lie is dangerous I'll criticize you for it.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

#702

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Bank account reporting: https://news.yahoo.com/hot-water-emails-uncovered-show-10061... The senate report has interesting stuff https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/HSGAC_Finance_Rep... There’s also that time biden got the prosecutor investigating burisma fired (by withholding funds). https://www.wsj.com/video/opinion-joe-biden-forced-ukraine-t... Seems an awful like what Trump was impeached for...

You clearly didn't read my comment. I specifically pointed out that the bank account story couldn't have been suppressed because it only came out recently.

There’s more evidence now, but in October 2020 you had these same emails released. The entire drive was available for anyone to download.

Further, an associate of the Biden family confirmed all the emails were real and he told the family not to take Chinese money.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/who-is-tony-bobulinski-hunt...

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Yes, that was claimed. It's been thoroughly disputed. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fac... Even if there was truth to it (I do think a genteel corruption was in play but not to this extent), these arguments are being made in bad faith. There's no concern for actual corruption as they don't seem to care when it happens in any other context -- it's just "gotcha" politics. US foreign policy in…

>that was claimed. It's been thoroughly disputed. And you will always find news articles telling you not to believe your lying eyes. Sadly most Americans have grown a default assumption that the media is lying to you, which at least in this case is true. Reading the first hand emails gives a very different impression. "The scope of work should also include organization of a visit of widely recognized and influential…

The whole point of this had nothing to do with rooting out corruption -- it was to discredit Biden as a candidate. This was Benghazi v2 (or higher).

I am among those that see another Trump presidency as an existential threat and am willing to look the other way if it helps prevent that.

As long as the political climate remains as it is I don't feel I have any other choice.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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A lot of parts of science and math are very different from the 60's while a lot of remains the same! How do you make sense of all of this and wrangle objective truth from the chaos? That's an epistomological question people have been asking since the dawn of mankind. IS there even objective truth that our limited monkey/human mind can grasp? I don't know the answer!...but I know censoring a multitude of opinions and…

It's not about censoring the opinions in general. Again, it's about censoring fake news on social media . Nobody wants to censor research (I know it's more complicated, because of what gets funded and what not) or publishing in peer reviewed papers. Heck, as a result of the pandemic, peer reviews got even quicker and a lot of research gets publicity when they get on pre-print servers (i.e. pre-review)! That doesn't s…

Did you ever think to yourself maybe the reason so many people are anti-(Covid)-vaxxers is not that they're brainwashed? Its that the anti-vaxx people may have a point?

Many major scientific breakthroughs were made outside of the 'institution of science' and peer reviewed papers.

Joseph Lister discovered antiseptic theory during routine medical practice and was mocked at first by other doctors who didn't want to switch instruments between surgurys.

Galileo was excommunicated for going against mainstream science.

But both of their ideas won out in the end.

If you need censorship and coercion of any sort to force your ideas on people, if to need to limit the avenues which ideas are shared .. you need better ideas.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

#705
I like how this thread was flagged, then un flagged and skyrocketed in terms of posts. Sounds like the proles here are slowly waking up to the political tricks and misdirection that the Jews are running on your country. Very good. A tad late, but better late than never.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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YouTube makes opinionated decisions about what gets in their search results. They edit their search results and have a team that decides that goes on the front page. That's editing. YouTube is a publisher.

Nope! None of that is relevant, even remotely, in determining what a publisher is. YouTube is a platform.

Please explain. All you said said was “I disagree”.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

#707

For those who think this isn’t political, check out what they posted on the POTUS Twitter the day before https://twitter.com/potus/status/1451544259992203266 The goal of this is to reclaim “let’s go Brandon” and it’s obvious. EDIT: for those who don’t know what “Let’s go Brandon” means, a child comment linked to a 40 second video: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ8asiDn2_A&feature=youtu.be For those who don’t watch or…

The video has the lines "pandemic ain't real, they planned it". That's called disinformation, and it was removed as such.

I am reminded of a quote I just ran into from the Canadian Supreme Court on free speech in R v. Zundel. Setting aside any legal questions, I found it interesting for its emphasis on the potential expressive value to disinformation.

> The first difficulty results from the premise that deliberate lies can never have value. Exaggeration -- even clear falsification -- may arguably serve useful social purposes linked to the values underlying freedom of expression. A person fighting cruelty against animals may knowingly cite false statistics in pursuit of his or her beliefs and with the purpose of communicating a more fundamental message, e.g., `cruelty to animals is increasing and must be stopped'. A doctor, in order to persuade people to be inoculated against a burgeoning epidemic, may exaggerate the number or geographical location of persons potentially infected with the virus. An artist, for artistic purposes, may make a statement that a particular society considers both an assertion of fact and a manifestly deliberate lie; consider the case of Salman Rushdie's Satanic Verses, viewed by many Muslim societies as perpetrating deliberate lies against the Prophet.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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>Again, I pose the question, what is a reasonable alternative? Again, this inverts the burden of proof. There is no obligation to provide any alternative, and no obligation to defer to a consensus in the absence of one. >Scientific consensus is the result of the majority of experts in a field using the scientific process to agree on the "least wrong" information possible given the data available at that time. If you…

> There is no obligation to provide any alternative, and no obligation to defer to a consensus in the absence of one. ... One does not require a better way of obtaining the truth in order to avoid committing oneself to accepting unjustified claims. In order to act on a claim (inaction is also an action; "avoid committing oneself to accepting" is just ornate wording for choosing inaction) one must evaluate the "probab…

>In order to act on a claim (inaction is also an action; "avoid committing oneself to accepting" is just ornate wording for choosing inaction) one must evaluate the "probability of truth" of said claim.

There is no requirement to evaluate the truth value of an ill defined, nonsensical or self-contradictory claim. In fact, a claim of that nature may as well be regarded as being meaningless. On those grounds, it makes no sense even to speak of probability in regard to such a claim.

>Honest answer: Then I invite you to attend a consensus conference

A 'consensus conference' may do one of two things:

1) It may dedicate itself to the evaluation of rational argument and evidence, in which case it is the argument and evidence that matters, and the consensus is irrelevant.

2) Some other means may be used to arrive at consensus, in which case it may be irrational, or at the very best, unscientific.

Note that the position that OP advanced, and which you appear to be defending is that the bare fact of the existence of a consensus should be treated as primary evidence on its own. At best, a consensus is secondary evidence, a pointer to the real crux of discussion, and treating it as primary evidence is a category error which is only compounded by the air of authority implied by a consensus which adds psychological coercion into the mix.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

#709

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The whole central claim that started this was the allegations that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating the company that was paying Hunter for his "services". If it's true that foreign interests were bribing the vice president of the USA though payments to his son in order to change American policy then that is indeed a staggering level of corruption. For comparison the president of South…

> the allegations that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating the company that was paying Hunter for his "services" The fact checking suggests an entirely different interpretation - https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fact... Not least that everyone wanted Shokin out. And this is before you get to Shokin investigating Burisma re: the years 2010-12; i.e. before Hunter Bide…

Agreed. But Hunter's only qualification for his role was who his dad was. It smells funny to me.

What gets conveniently overlooked by those pushing this story is the fact that the only interest was in the story itself, as an attack angle. To hell with that.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Is the full video of that town hall meeting available anywhere?

https://youtu.be/R8R2545fHCo Oddly, it’s pretty well hidden in search, while other, older town halls came right up. I had to select a number of specific options in YouTube’s search just to find it.

thanks a lot, not sure why they are trying to hide this one, it isn't that bad... even if most of his answers use scripted answers that are only a bit related to the question.
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