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Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by collegeburner »

arp242 wrote: post #513
skneko wrote: post #446

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Those kinds of sites don't work. There are no operative workarounds as far as I know.

It used to be that youtube-dl worked, but on that CIA video I now get: [youtube] _2khAmMTAjI: Downloading webpage [youtube] _2khAmMTAjI: Refetching age-gated info webpage WARNING: unable to download video info webpage: HTTP Error 410: Gone ERROR: Sign in to confirm your age This video may be inappropriate for some users. Meh. The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as inappropriate or offen…

Yt-dlp implemented a work-around that seems to work for now.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by TameAntelope »

matthewmarkus wrote: post #580
TameAntelope wrote: post #510

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This isn't really about section 230, this is about the first amendment. You cannot, and will not, ever successfully pass an enforced law that requires private companies to maintain content they themselves did not produce on their website against their will. You can repeal section 230, and the first amendment will still protect every company in the US from doing what you want them to do. There is no version of this wh…

The point of repealing section 230 is to end YouTube as we know it. Basically, YouTube becomes the Washington Post and can carry fully moderated content that it selects and publishes. YouTube's current business model only exists by legislative fiat. It's time to give power back to the courts and reinstate the precedent of Stratton Oakmont, Inc. v. Prodigy Services Co. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stratton_Oakmont,_I…

Literally impossible as long as the First Amendment exists. You cannot compel speech with legislation the way you apparently want to. Section 230 is just a way to shortcut litigation, the First Amendment is ultimately the protector of YouTube, and will remain so as long as the United States remains a country.

Repealing 230 would just trigger a new set of lawsuits, one of which would end up in front of the Supreme Court, who would then rule it as unconstitutional to force YouTube to publish content it doesn't want to, and we'll be right back where we started, just now with precedent in a Supreme Court case.

https://harvardlawreview.org/2018/05/section-230-as-first-am...

https://www.lawfareblog.com/wall-street-journal-misreads-sec...

https://scholarship.law.nd.edu/ndlr_online/vol95/iss1/3/

https://www.cjr.org/the_media_today/section-230-critics-are-...

You are tilting at a windmill, friend.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by md8z »

opinion-is-bad wrote: post #490
md8z wrote: post #442

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Sure, why not? Would it be suspicious if you and your neighbor both shared the same local doctor and got similar medical advice?

Doctors are expected to give medical advice while the US government is banned from policing speech. The analogy is fundamentally flawed.

I don't understand why you're mentioning the US government or policing speech, this article (and my analogy) is about youtube taking a video down. I think you may have misunderstood the analogy.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by pstuart »

barbacoa wrote: post #614
pstuart wrote: post #596

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My take on the Hunter Biden affair -- low level, old school, genteel corruption. Akin to the corruption that political "donations" bring. Disclaimer, I voted for Biden but am willing to call out his failures at any time. The reason why I'm ok with "censoring" the Hunter stories at that time is that it was purely whataboutism and a distraction. Just like with the buttery males, it was never about the professed concern…

The whole central claim that started this was the allegations that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating the company that was paying Hunter for his "services". If it's true that foreign interests were bribing the vice president of the USA though payments to his son in order to change American policy then that is indeed a staggering level of corruption. For comparison the president of South…

Yes, that was claimed. It's been thoroughly disputed. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fac...

Even if there was truth to it (I do think a genteel corruption was in play but not to this extent), these arguments are being made in bad faith. There's no concern for actual corruption as they don't seem to care when it happens in any other context -- it's just "gotcha" politics.

US foreign policy in its very nature is corrupt (it's the lobbying arm of big business). Let's shine a light on it but that light needs to be colorblind to red and blue.

Without recognition of the corruption of the previous administration this dialog is simply partisan pandering. I'd be more than happy to share my criticisms for the administration and its party (including this aforementioned corruption) but if your concern does not cross party lines then it's no concern of mine.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by silverspoonin »

Zuider wrote: post #613
silverspoonin wrote: post #605

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> OP's question appears to invert the burden of proof in assuming that a consensus, even of experts, ought to be believed unless there are compelling reasons not to accept it. Again, I pose the question, what is a reasonable alternative? >Asimov seems to be arguing that there are degrees of wrongness, and one can become less wrong by a process of rational error elimination and criticism. How does the mere fact of a c…

>Again, I pose the question, what is a reasonable alternative? Again, this inverts the burden of proof. There is no obligation to provide any alternative, and no obligation to defer to a consensus in the absence of one. >Scientific consensus is the result of the majority of experts in a field using the scientific process to agree on the "least wrong" information possible given the data available at that time. If you…

> There is no obligation to provide any alternative, and no obligation to defer to a consensus in the absence of one. ... One does not require a better way of obtaining the truth in order to avoid committing oneself to accepting unjustified claims.

In order to act on a claim (inaction is also an action; "avoid committing oneself to accepting" is just ornate wording for choosing inaction) one must evaluate the "probability of truth" of said claim. To my knowledge, scientific consensus is the most reliable source to inform that evaluation. Since you fail to provide a more effective alternative, then it seems that scientific consensus is at least non-inferior to any other method either of us is currently aware of. Thus it is the rational choice on which to base action; basing them on a less reliable source gives a higher probability of being "wrong", and thus would be irrational.

> I see no evidence that this narrative is generally true.

Honest answer: Then I invite you to attend a consensus conference, or enough of them for the p-value on your evaluation of how they run to reach whatever level is acceptable to you. Tongue-in-cheek answer: You also have no evidence you aren't a simulated agent in an advanced species' super-computer (Descartes's "brain in a jar"). At some point, you have to choose some axioms and build your world-view from there.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by fabianhjr »

TechBro8615 wrote: post #616
arp242 wrote: post #513

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It used to be that youtube-dl worked, but on that CIA video I now get: [youtube] _2khAmMTAjI: Downloading webpage [youtube] _2khAmMTAjI: Refetching age-gated info webpage WARNING: unable to download video info webpage: HTTP Error 410: Gone ERROR: Sign in to confirm your age This video may be inappropriate for some users. Meh. The following content has been identified by the YouTube community as inappropriate or offen…

There’s no major conspiracy here other than YouTube becoming increasingly hostile to the open web. I would put money on Rumble becoming a major force in social media over the next ten years. It feels more like early YouTube than YouTube itself has felt for a long time.

Why not PeerTube? It is gaining a lot more of momentum by interoperating with the rest of the fediverse.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by barbacoa »

pstuart wrote: post #624
barbacoa wrote: post #614

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The whole central claim that started this was the allegations that Joe Biden pressured Ukraine to fire the prosecutor investigating the company that was paying Hunter for his "services". If it's true that foreign interests were bribing the vice president of the USA though payments to his son in order to change American policy then that is indeed a staggering level of corruption. For comparison the president of South…

Yes, that was claimed. It's been thoroughly disputed. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/10/21/fac... Even if there was truth to it (I do think a genteel corruption was in play but not to this extent), these arguments are being made in bad faith. There's no concern for actual corruption as they don't seem to care when it happens in any other context -- it's just "gotcha" politics. US foreign policy in…

>that was claimed. It's been thoroughly disputed.

And you will always find news articles telling you not to believe your lying eyes. Sadly most Americans have grown a default assumption that the media is lying to you, which at least in this case is true. Reading the first hand emails gives a very different impression.

"The scope of work should also include organization of a visit of widely recognized and influential current and/or former US policy-makers to Ukraine in November aiming to conduct meetings with and bring positive signal/message and support on Nikolay’s issue to the Ukrainian top officials above with the ultimate purpose to close down for any cases/pursuits against Nikolay [Burisma founder] in Ukraine."

https://thenewamerican.com/assets/sites/2/251024_1.jpg

It's very difficult to read that email and not come to the conclusion that Hunter was being paid to ask his dad to shut down the investigation into Burisma. Especially since later emails indicate that Joe Biden ultimately did meet with Burisma execs.

>but if your concern does not cross party lines then it's no concern of mine.

Make no mistakes I would love to see any elected official that engages in corruption -- Republican or Democrat -- dragged to prison.

While there are a large number of who are just using this to play political gotcha, it is going too far to accuse anyone concerned about this scandal.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by franga2000 »

chroem- wrote: post #277
franga2000 wrote: post #259

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The quote is calling the statement "the vaccine will stop the spread of covid" a lie. That statement can be a lie only if the vaccine can not stop the spread. An overly optimistic prediction wouldn't be a lie, so the quote must be calling the vaccine ineffective at best. Regardless of whether the pandemic is over or not, the statement isn't a lie and therefore the quote is incorrect. The vaccine significantly slows t…

If this is the standard that we go by, are other lyricists literally commanding me to rob banks and abuse women?

No, which is why I don't support the takedown. You can point out a bad argument from someone without agreeing with the other side.

Re: YouTube deletes rapper's 'Let's Go Brandon' song claiming medical misinformation

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Post by WalterBright »

jquery wrote: post #597
WalterBright wrote: post #500

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Perhaps I'm one of those rare people who oppose the censorship of viewpoints I despise.

Great. Me too. I just disagree that what YouTube is doing falls under censorship. BitChute exists and works just fine. I have no problem watching InfoWars if I want to. It's nothing like China where I would actually be risking prison if I shared something anti-government in a WeChat group.

It does when the government leans on them. How'd you like to be in the hot seat in front of Congress while they threaten and berate you about the content on your site?
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