I have been considering getting dell xps 13 until I read this and it is so frustrating , what other good options ?
Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
#702Surely this sort of stuff won’t happen on an Apple Silicon machine.
It really does look like the competition has a lot of catching up to do. But probably after the M1X / M2 Macbook announcements, the competitors will be set back another 2 years behind Apple again.
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> I know it's too late to help you But it's not too late to help others! Thank you for showing us how insane this is.
What's insane here? Waking the machine up is a legitimate use case, and it's easily traceable and configurable.
Waking the machine is a use case but having things unexpectedly wake the machine is a failure of that use case.
And easily configurable is subjective. Sure most readers here can work through it but requiring use of the CLI is not "easy" for most people. Not to mention the discoverability of that feature in the first place.
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What's insane here? Waking the machine up is a legitimate use case, and it's easily traceable and configurable.
A machine doing something I didn't tell it to is insane. I am the user. I use the machine, not the other way around.
The hardware and software making the decision to wake the device isn't necessarily privy to concepts like "user" or "intent"; At that layer, it's all just signals. Someone has to design the system to interpret what those signals/events are supposed to lead to (e.g. should connecting a cable to a closed laptop wake it up? What if the thing on the other end of that cable is a mouse, or a storage device, or a charger, or a docking station? What if I jiggle my Bluetooth mouse, causing it to re-establish its connection to the laptop's Bluetooth radio? Should other state be considered before making a decision?).
The fact that such a subsystem exists isn't an indication of malice or a subversion of your will. There will be bugs in such a system, but the system still needs to be there.
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Same sentiment, and that's how I found Linux. I've now made it a solemn vow to convert every daily driver I have to dual-boot Win/Linux when it's a >100GB HD.
My XPS 13 on Ubuntu while sleping randomly turns on in my backpack and tries to melt a hole/burns the battery to 0. So I think at least SOME of it might be hardware related.
I used to disable all ACPI signals (keys and lid) for exactly this reason on my Macbook 2015 running linux.
Not the most comfortable, as you have to manage sleep manually, but definitely the safest.
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Writing this from my 2019 XPS 15 7590 i9 with (extended) 64 GB RAM. The OLED display quality is still the best any laptop can offer, but that's where it ends. Had countless issues with sleep, reboots after being "killed in sleep" for going over Windows sleep "battery drain limit" (can be increased in registry but hey), wifi/bt issues after wake-up, short battery endurance, fan noise (mitigated by undervolting w/ Thro…
I'll chime in as well from my 2020 XPS 17. This issue is incredibly frustrating. It's worth switching over, however I don't really know where to go for a premium laptop. I'm not very interested in a Mac. HP and Lenovo have given me tons of problems in the past (which is why I switched to Dell). From this thread it seems like several other vendors have similar problems to this Dell one. What options are there?
I really like the Lenovo X1s with Linux, no issues, great luck with hardware so far (on my second one). I also have a MacBook Pro, and I gotta say I like the Lenovo with fedora better.
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I doubt lasering those holes is particularly cheap, i.e. likely much (much) more than the cost of a big hole with an LED. But I do very much like them, and would happily pay a bit to get it back.
They could manage it in a $80 keyboard when that tech was new and probably more expensive, I'd think they could do it in a $1500 laptop :) And a hole with a plastic insert would be fine for me too. It wouldn't be as minimalist but not doing it at all is much worse IMO.
Membrane keyboards are so incredibly common and simple to make that I'd be willing to bet they make dramatically more profit on that keyboard than on a $1500 laptop (proportional to price). Even after accounting for all the wasted R&D and refunds and repairs spent denying problems with their butterfly mechanism.
So kinda yes... but also kinda no, I don't think that really supports a claim that it's cheap enough to do everywhere.
But yeah, I'd totally be fine with an LED glued into a hole. The indicator is the important part, and it's a shame that it's gone.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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Same sentiment, and that's how I found Linux. I've now made it a solemn vow to convert every daily driver I have to dual-boot Win/Linux when it's a >100GB HD.
Ah right, Linux, the platform where suspend and resume doesn't even work and hibernation is a mess. AMD https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=AMD-S2id... s2idle is broken and I have an AMD thinkpad with deep sleep and even that doesn't suspend 80% of the time. Intel (search for 'deep' and 's2idle') https://community.frame.work/t/ubuntu-21-04-on-the-framework... I already know the replies I might get but…
I never understood why I should be hibernating instead of suspending so I can't talk about that - but I haven't seen a laptop unable to suspend for years.
That could be luck and not buying laptops with terrible linux support but I wouldn't paint the situation as this tragic.
The experience out of the box is still crap because the ACPI signals from the hardware are often a complete mess - but disabling most of them generally works.
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Similar to PowerNap from Apple https://support.apple.com/guide/mac-help/what-is-power-nap-m... Although I don't think Apple recommends not keeping your laptop in a bag.
> Similar to PowerNap from Apple That seems pretty easy to turn off. I just checked my Mac and it's disabled, and the description around the setting was clear enough for me to know I didn't want to touch it with a ten foot pole.
There's the key. Windows wouldn't be so terrible if you could turn things off. As it stands, I just feel a lot more comfortable using apple or linux or any unix based system basically.
Re: Do not leave XPS laptop in any sleep/hibernate/standby mode when placed in a bag
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The takeaway from this thread is that there is no platform safe from this issue.
The probability of the issue happening seems to be meaningfully far less on certain operating systems than others.
I don't see how you can possibly make any meaningful conclusions about relative probability from this thread.