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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

afiori wrote: post #690
CathedralBorrow wrote: post #685

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Agree or disagree with that I believe it is (still) important to be able to express that concept without being transphobic I fully agree with this. But if he is viewed as transphobic then surely that falls flat?

I am not entirely sure what you mean, what I am trying to say is that if someone believe he was transphobic, then it would be enriching of the conversation if they took care not to use the fact that he is making that distinction as an argument for that statement. Specifically I think it is in the interest of the side challenging the status quo to keep their arguments as precise as possible. Otherwise conversations be…

> what I am trying to say is that if someone believe he was transphobic, then it would be enriching of the conversation if they took care not to use the fact that he is making that distinction as an argument for that statement

Yes, I think I'm definitely not understanding you correctly. It seems like you're objectively stating that conversation would be of higher quality if people would construct arguments more like you do. But what if people do want to use that argument for their statement that they find JR transphobic?

"Don't use this argument; it's wrong and devalues the conversation" reads very strange to me when discussing something as fuzzy as "does this person exhibit transphobic behaviour?"

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by blaser-waffle »

cambalache wrote: post #589
bitwize wrote: post #564

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And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

Maybe smarter people (Zizek?) have already talked about this, but for me the current global political compass is very weird. I consider myself a hard-leftist and yet somehow I sometimes feel ideologically closer, or at least not so estranged from your salt-of-the-earth Trump/Brexit voter than to the current modern western progressives, or what people in the 60s used to call a somewhat similar group: Champagne sociali…

> Zizek

50% of what he says is him talking out of his ass.

> what people in the 60s used to call a somewhat similar group: Champagne socialists. For me, at least, using my conspiracy hat this is a big big victory for the dominant class, because the existent cries for stricter corporate oversee, dismantling of the lobbying system , unjust labor conditions are totally drowned in a sea of political correctness

Absolutely. That's the point. Talk a big game about tolerance and blowing the progressive dog whistles... but keep data mining the fuck out of people and racking up insane profits.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by gsich »

jmull3n wrote: post #683
gsich wrote: post #617

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Use another browser. Probably Apple saying "we don't support "obscure" file formats".

I believe it's due to the DRM protection Spotify use. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Encrypted_M...

Oh, I thought it was the webplayer that the podcast site uses. If that is Spotify, shame on them for DRM.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by wayoutthere »

hackinthebochs wrote: post #125
wayoutthere wrote: post #45

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He has creative freedom until something crazy hits the media. Though given how exhausted everyone is of these battles these days, I'm not sure anything he could do would generate sufficient outrage.

When widespread outrage is measured simply by twitter likes, I feel there is no end to the outrage machine. The cost of participating is zero while the dopamine hit of lending your support to some presumed moral issue non-zero. And therein lies the problem with adjudicating moral issues through social media. There is zero cost to join in the mob and so these tempests appear to be much stronger than they actually are.…

I think the real problem started in the early '10s, when mainstream journalists got lazy af and just started combing Facebook and Twitter for material rather than doing actual journalism. It started with "crowdsourced" journalism like photos and videos of actual notable events, but devolved into internet drama stuff pretty quickly.

Many people saw what was happening and started treating Twitter as a legitimate news source to try and 'scoop' the major news outlets. Once it was obvious that being on Twitter gave you an outsized voice, it attracted all sorts of bad actors.

The 2016 election really threw it into overdrive though. Part of me wonders if Trump's whole Twitter strategy is to rile up the left because most of his base is old people on Facebook or Nextdoor. The young edgelords who were already using Twitter didn't take any of it seriously because they were just using it to troll people with 4chan memes about using bleach as eyedrops anyway.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by blaser-waffle »

lol_u_cuck wrote: post #454
dang wrote: post #357

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> It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies. If you broach the topic in this way—jumping straight to an inflammatory statement on one of the most divisive of all topics—you're guaranteeing a flamewar. That's vandalism, nay, trolling. It breaks the site guidelines, damages this place badly, and you've done it more than once before. You also committed to us that you wouldn't to do it again.…

Facts are inflammatory!

8 hour old account, with a one liner about "facts", and using the right wing "cuck" as a pejorative.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by blaser-waffle »

rorykoehler wrote: post #603
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #477

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Nonsense. Nobody cares about the fact that he is willing to have a conversation with just about anyone, except the whiny cancel culture twitter mob. We need more conversations with people we don’t (think we) like.

His conversations are like empty calories. No substance. No hard questions. 100% ego stroking. His podcast is basically an advertorial. It’s painful to watch.

And what of it? JRE has routinely had both sides of debates on -- equal opportunity ego stroking.

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Post by [deleted] »

afiori wrote: post #699
iterati wrote: post #692

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Do they? Podcast, to me, is a talk show on the internet.

The distribution model of podcast has always been peculiar. A podcast is a radio show live or not distributed on the internet. Its distribution model mimics that of radio shows archives, that for the internet means RSS-like

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

raxxorrax wrote: post #682
Traster wrote: post #671

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It's censorship to stop someone saying something, not to stop them saying something on your property. The New York Times isn't censoring me by choosing not to publish my incoherent ramblings on their front page.

It is still censorship if you do it on your property. It is your right to do so, not the point here but still censorship. The NYT is a publisher and we did a lot of work separating the two. Currently there are ambitions to moderate platforms because those have more listeners. As I said, there are enough creators demonetized because they are just controversial. Advertisers don't like that. So what are you arguing here…

If all publishers, persons and organizations are censoring everyone who is not allowed to use their platform/property to express whatever they want... then it seems to dilute the meaning of censorship into nothingness.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by commandlinefan »

cambalache wrote: post #589
bitwize wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

Maybe smarter people (Zizek?) have already talked about this, but for me the current global political compass is very weird. I consider myself a hard-leftist and yet somehow I sometimes feel ideologically closer, or at least not so estranged from your salt-of-the-earth Trump/Brexit voter than to the current modern western progressives, or what people in the 60s used to call a somewhat similar group: Champagne sociali…

This possibility seems lost on far too many people: if they can do it to him, they can do it to you, too.
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