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Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by jessaustin »

mlatu wrote: post #693
gonehome wrote: post #550

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How much power do the VCs typically have? Don't founders often have the ability to overrule and make their own decisions? Chris is already financially independent from the OKCupid sale, he could have open sourced the server code and/or reduced the overall burn to pivot to paid accounts. Though the weird Stellar wallet addition implied some vision/product issues anyway. Of course it's easy and probably unfair for me t…

You can downvote here?

You're getting some amusing downvotes now! You have to have a certain level of karma [0] (500? 750? I'm not sure...) in order to have this ability.

[0] https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=mlatu

Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by albedoa »

purple-dragon wrote: post #648
wutbrodo wrote: post #596

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Just as your comment was aiming to narrowly point out a logical fallacy in the parent comment, I'm pointing out a flaw in your own: I disagree with your claim that investing in security practices is just theater, and that more concrete efforts in the same direction are irrelevant. The concrete efforts are Bayesian evidence that the newer investments are more than theater.

I didn't claim that. I believe in investing in security. I'm a security professional.

You said that those things are theater until the day the product updates. We are beyond the day when that happened. So for it to be a fallacy you have to reject the context in which it was presented, which nobody but you is doing.

Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by peternicky »

very unfortunate news given that I have zero trust in zoom. To be honest, i've never found a unique use for keybase in the past years that my account was active and was always disappointed with the quality of their desktop and iphone applications.

later today or tomorrow when I have free time, I will be deleting my keybase account.

Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by gonehome »

bythckr wrote: post #687
gonehome wrote: post #349

For years people have been begging Keybase to allow them to pay them for the service and Chris Coyne always refused. Now they've lost their independence and they're owned by a communication company that has [edit: the majority of] its dev team in China. I use Keybase to talk to my friend in China since it's one of the few services they don't block. This is a pretty disappointing outcome.

> I use Keybase to talk to my friend in China since it's one of the few services they don't block. I think the vital question is why was keybase not blocked? Maybe it was owned by someone high-up in China. That is why maybe Chris Coyne refused funding. It was free to just to onboard maximum number of users. Seems like "users" where the products that bought value to keybase.

Things are usually not blocked when they’re not that popular or well known.

In the Keybase case I think it was just obscure enough to avoid the censors.

Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by gonehome »

wutwutwutwut wrote: post #665
gonehome wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The vast majority of the Zoom software development team is based out of companies in China. They do have support people in the US and a handful of non-support engineering which is why I said thanks and immediately updated the comment to say "majority" instead of "entire" since it's more correct. That technicality is less relevant to the main point of the argument.

My point was that you should check your facts before making an argument. Not exactly a crazy idea, right?

Your “point” was to be an asshole, and congratulations you’ve now succeeded twice.

Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by core-questions »

skykooler wrote: post #365
core-questions wrote: post #270

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Who gives a fuck about Wayland, honestly? It seems like it was designed by people who didn't like the few good things about X and wanted something to further fracture the Linux desktop. Well, they got it. > Zoom needs people who know how to make modern client software It's the best video client available on Windows / Mac and works acceptably on Linux, what exactly needs to be more "modern" about it? Slack's video cal…

Wayland was designed by people who didn't like the features of X that almost nobody used (X forwarding, for example). And X is still around for those obscure use cases, while Wayland can serve almost everyone with a much simpler and cleaner system. Now, why Canonical decided to go off and write Mir instead of collaborating on Wayland development, I have no idea.

> the features of X that almost nobody used (X forwarding, for example).

Plenty of people use this all the time. It's probably the single best thing about X.

Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by rbarroso »

Strangely the Core Security documents which should be available through the links on the Crypto page:

  - https://book.keybase.io/docs/crypto
are not available!

Missing linked documents:

  - https://book.keybase.io/docs/server_security
  - https://book.keybase.io/docs/server_security/merkle_root_in_bitcoin_blockchain
  - https://book.keybase.io/docs/sigchain

Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by sincerely »

dang wrote: post #588
sincerely wrote: post #542

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Hi dang, are there any plans to introduce a marker of some sort so that people know whether the current URL is the same as the one it was submitted with? I find that often I have no idea what the comments are talking about

It's not clear to me whether that would add more signal to the comments or more noise. If you have specific links to cases where this has been a problem, you'd be welcome to send them to hn@ycombinator.com so we can take a look. Or keep that in mind for the next time this comes up.

I haven't been collecting links, but I'll keep my eyes open moving forward.

Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by snowwrestler »

rabidrat wrote: post #678
snowwrestler wrote: post #650

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> The difference between pre-1970 and now, is that we've not only socially legitimized the maximization of profit, we've also all but legally mandated it. I'm sorry, but this is just not true. If it was legally mandated, then the Costco CEO would not have been able to resist such shareholder demands. Your example proves the opposite of what you think it does. Nothing has changed in the legal structure of corporate go…

The expression "all but" means "almost but not quite".

I know, that's what I'm trying to say: it's not true that CEOs are "almost but not quite" legally mandated to maximize profit or shareholder value. The law says plainly that they are not.

"All but" is handy phrasing if you're trying to create the impression that something you prefer is true. If you don't prefer it, I think that using that phrase is like shooting yourself in the foot rhetorically.

I think it's more constructive to point out that such a mandate does not exist (regardless of what some shareholders seem to believe), and there are good reasons it doesn't.

Re: Zoom Acquires Keybase

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Post by dcow »

orblivion wrote: post #699
asdf123wtf wrote: post #633

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I think people are confusing things a bit here. Sure, you can protect your pgp key with a password, but I don't think that adds a whole lot of security to your uploaded private keys. When you upload a pgp key to keybase, it encrypts the key again, using your keybase device key. So its double encrypted, basically. The keybase model revolves around devices. Device keys are private keys that are tied to a particular dev…

Thank you. If that's true I wish they would have just said so when people started complaining about it on Github. Everybody seems to have a different take on this. Assuming what you're saying is correct, it seems much more sensible. It almost makes the PGP key seem superfluous, though I suppose it help with legacy this way. It still seems not ideal, in that having one device compromised would give away your main priv…

>It almost makes the PGP key seem superfluous, though I suppose it help with legacy this way.

This is actually one of the best "features" of keybase. They've backed everything by some strong pgp crypto roots, but none of their stuff really "operates" using pgp. The fact that they have abstracted it, in my opinion, is part of why people have adopted it so easily.

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