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Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by freeplay »

app-pole wrote: post #667
m12k wrote: post #605

I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

Download 'Magnet'

Not a native solution but very lightweight and solves a lot of your issues.

And if you want something extremely powerful and robust, check out Hammerspoon. Much more complicated setup but basically turns the MacOS window manager into a proper tiling wm.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

app-pole wrote: post #667
m12k wrote: post #605

I feel like the Apple we've seen since Jobs died is exactly what I would have expected if someone let the designers run the show without a strong product manager to reign them in: Gorgeous and mostly user-friendly products, but slightly too caught up in their own cleverness instead of the actual needs of real users. I hope there's a chance to rectify that now - though I fear it won't happen until someone more visiona…

Apple has very skilled engineers, makes great strides in security, and I'm impressed by their hardware skills. However, UX is their weakness. I don't know why we keep pretending that UX is Apple's strength. Have you used their window manager? Have you used their workspace implementation? Clearly they haven't used it themselves. Everything about the Mac UI is geared toward just having a pile of windows in one workspac…

I like how Window management works in macOS more than the other platforms! The touchpad gestures are great. Or, if you're using a mouse with extra buttons, one of the side buttons can get mapped to Mission Control, which works wonderfully!

I did prefer App Exposé in Snow Leopard, but ah well...

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by felideon »

CPLX wrote: post #692
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What dongle epidemic? A USB-C version of every important cord or connector has existed for _years_. Anyone who still has dongles is choosing them.

If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other. That is, in fact, stupid.

Worse yet. Walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line mouse, and take them home -- realize a few days (maybe weeks, to be fair) later that you cannot charge your mouse with your laptop without a dongle.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by jobu »

CPLX wrote: post #692
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #655

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What dongle epidemic? A USB-C version of every important cord or connector has existed for _years_. Anyone who still has dongles is choosing them.

If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other. That is, in fact, stupid.

It's ridiculous that iPhone didn't switch to USB-C when they dropped the headphone jack. Apple used to be so good about consistency and compatibility between products.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by freeplay »

AimForTheBushes wrote: post #649
bayareanative wrote: post #612

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Everyone should watch the Louis Rossmann channel before lionizing, much less even saying anything good about modern MBP's they don't seem to understand what's been lost and what sucks. It's not been a long-lasting product for at least 5 years: - the batteries are glued in, making them very difficult to change - there's no locking slot - GPU goes out - the unencapsulated (motherboard) is very susceptible to any humidi…

My MBP is the best machine I've ever owned. I bought it brand new in 2015 and it is still just as good as the day I got it. Your comparison is unfair given that there have been excellent machines in the past 5 years but they lost focus in the past 3 years.

Ahh the last great MBP

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by ohazi »

Eric_WVGG wrote: post #688
Eric_WVGG wrote: post #664

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First, that's not a dongle, that's an SD card reader. A dongle would adapt a USB-A reader's plug to a USB-C plug. Second, this is a step forward. Previously, people who didn't need to carry around SD card readers had to, in the form of bulkier laptops with smaller batteries. Now, only folks who need readers have to carry them around. That's a win.

I knew defining a dongle would bring out the pedants, and that makes me very happy, but I think the real point is being overlooked here. Folks who want an SD card reader or HDMI should carry around SD card readers and HDMI cables. People who don't want those things shouldn't have to carry them around. I modernized all my accessories years ago. USB-C is all I or, I would argue, nearly anyone needs. I'm truly sorry tha…

You do realize that ports are holes right? They make your laptop lighter.

The amount of metal removed from the case is heavier than the connector and PCB traces.

Don't carry around the cables if you don't want to, but your argument is ridiculous.

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Post by gridlockd »

slantyyz wrote: post #691
gridlockd wrote: post #683

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> No SD card reader means the new MBP just couldn’t do this without dongles, full stop. So you go out and buy a dongle. Or you just connect the Camera with a cable and you don't have to fiddle with the tiny SD card. I personally never use SD cards, or any other flash cards. I never use the ethernet jack on a laptop. I very rarely use thumbdrives or other USB devices. I also don't use serial out, or PCMCIA, or compact…

The problem has less to do with dongles than having a diverse product line catering to multiple user types. Apple has basically decided to make all their laptop lines ultrabooks (which is their prerogative). And because a lot Mac users are more loyal to the OS than the hardware itself, they're stuck with what Apple is offering. As a consultant who goes to different clients, I prefer to have built-in ports as opposed…

> Also, a lot of cables will wear out, and they will stop working when you need them the most (I've ruined quite a few video dongles)

Okay, but if a dongle breaks, you just buy another dongle. If a video port breaks, that's a much more expensive replacement - though I suppose you can get a USB video dongle these days.

On a side note, I wish that wireless video was more of a thing, given the security issues with physical connectors.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by richrichardsson »

AimForTheBushes wrote: post #650
hevi_jos wrote: post #629

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"- community of unrealistic, brainwashed, tribalist fans who lack perspective and criticism" Why do you feel the urge to insult those that do not see the world like you do? You call them "unrealistic", so it makes you fell realistic. "brainwashed" so it makes you feel clear minded. "tribalist" so it makes you feel individually intelligent. "lack perspective", so you believe you have perspective. The fact is that some…

He made a lot of good points and then his entire argument went out the window in the last sentence.

So because you don't agree with 1 out of the 15 points, suddenly those other 14 are null and void? Pffff.

You just have to look at all the "No, it's really not that bad a price" comments re the upcoming Mac Pro to see he does have a point there.

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by ihuman »

felideon wrote: post #703
CPLX wrote: post #692

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line phone and take them home you’ll quickly realize there is no way to plug them in to each other. That is, in fact, stupid.

Worse yet. Walk into an Apple store and buy their top of the line laptop and top of the line mouse, and take them home -- realize a few days (maybe weeks, to be fair) later that you cannot charge your mouse with your laptop without a dongle.

Or the USB-C Lightning cable

Re: Jony Ive to form independent design company with Apple as client

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Post by slantyyz »

gridlockd wrote: post #707
slantyyz wrote: post #691

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem has less to do with dongles than having a diverse product line catering to multiple user types. Apple has basically decided to make all their laptop lines ultrabooks (which is their prerogative). And because a lot Mac users are more loyal to the OS than the hardware itself, they're stuck with what Apple is offering. As a consultant who goes to different clients, I prefer to have built-in ports as opposed…

> Also, a lot of cables will wear out, and they will stop working when you need them the most (I've ruined quite a few video dongles) Okay, but if a dongle breaks, you just buy another dongle. If a video port breaks, that's a much more expensive replacement - though I suppose you can get a USB video dongle these days. On a side note, I wish that wireless video was more of a thing, given the security issues with physi…

>> Okay, but if a dongle breaks, you just buy another dongle.

Sure. But what if you're onsite somewhere and can't get one nearby? This is a huge problem if you're somewhere where you are required to use a wire for networking (these places do exist).

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