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Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by viraptor »

fnord123 wrote: post #638
ratsimihah wrote: post #520

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What does Linux give you that macOS doesn’t? I use both a Mac and an Arch Linux running i3/awesomewm, and to me macOS is like any Linux distro with a user-friendly desktop environment. I guess it doesn’t have an « official » package manager, but homebrew has most packages anyway?

> What does Linux give you that macOS doesn’t? perf, case sensitive file systems, non stupid alt-tab behaviour, strace, pstack, gdb (these don't seem to work without sacrificing animals), gnome-shell (better than finder by a long way, imo). I've got a mac. I don't install programs except for things through brew. It's basically shitty linux with outlook.

perf, strace, and pstack can be replaced with dtrace on MacOS.

You can have a case-sensitive position. (Separate from root so it doesn't break some apps)

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by zarkov99 »

sreque wrote: post #433
mark_l_watson wrote: post #229

This might just be a bargaining move on Apple’s part, but I don’t think so. I think that long term they are much better off controlling their entire hardware stack. I wouldn’t be surprised to even see them make their own display screens. As an Apple customer, I like this idea also. For 20 years, I used to be a desktop Linux fanatic and later became a fan of Android. In the last few years, I have switched to using all…

I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

I was with you until the "I preferred Windows" part. Windows right now is the most infuriating piece of software I can imagine for a developer. Forced upgrades? Forced advertisement? Gigantic, expensive SDKs with incomprehensible versioning and install times measured in hours, no standard library installation facilities, no standard build facilities, a default compiler that is markedly inferior to the alternatives, it just goes on on and on.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by _emacsomancer_ »

npunt wrote: post #455
sreque wrote: post #433

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I am a software developer, and I detest working on my mac laptop. At $lastjob I had a Linux desktop and it is, I believe, the most productive environment I have ever developed in. The job before, I had a windows desktop, and I prefer that to mac. You say you want to just "get things done expediently," but in my experience apple software is flat out inferior and OSX is the worst of the 3 major operating systems I have…

2/3s of all PR activity on Github is on a Mac, for what it's worth. Certainly the platform punches above its weight relative to market share. https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2017/102/?time=2...

Do you have a non-video source on this? 2/3s seems really high.

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Post by bschwindHN »

walshemj wrote: post #588
sreque wrote: post #462

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I've heard it said that the greatest minds of our generation are thinking about how to make people click ads. However, I feel like the greatest minds of our generation are spent trying to figure out how to enable people to build Linux software on OSX. Whether it is: * a convoluted process involving Vagrant, Docker, or both, because you depend on one or more pieces of software that don't run at all on OSX, including D…

You always ought to build on the same hardware you deploy on - to be blunt having multiple developers messing around on n different macs is just madness!

Just use docker or a VM for matching your production environment. Then your devs can use whatever device they're comfortable with. Add in a CI environment and then suddenly you don't need to force the same OS on everyone. Everybody likes something different.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by trurl »

jakobegger wrote: post #480

If Apple really moves to custom chips in Macs, it's going to be about one thing only: independence. Apple wants to control the entire stack; and relying on a single vendor is too big of a risk. It's not a question of price; it's about getting the chips they need. Intel has missed a lot of targets in recent years, and (according to rumors) more than one recent Mac model has been delayed because Intel did not have the…

Yeah, I can definitely see this as being the reason. The switch from PPC to Intel was partly motivated by IBM dropping the ball. Now Intel is failing to keep up as well, so given that Apple has the resources, why not control their own destiny?

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by orionblastar »

Some of the old X86 clone chip companies got bought out by others. Cyrix, Centaur, Winchip ect got bought out by VIA and I had not heard of VIA is still in business.

Apple once made PowerPC chips with Motorola, IBM, and others.

There is also a rumor of Apple using ARM chips with X86 codes or X86 emulation.

I'd like to see Apple make a version of a modern PowerPC CPU and use an ARM as a co-processor to run iOS stuff. Cut out Intel or do it via emulation like Rosetta did for PowerPC code.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by heartbreak »

ekun wrote: post #649
bjoli wrote: post #453

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I have long said that Mac os X is only useful as a way to start Emacs, but since 10.10 I am not even sure about that. Of course it is a matter of taste. I get that. I still have to bite my tongue to not yell profanities whenever I hear anything about productivity and Mac OS. Most of the time I keep my mouth shut. Now I just wanted to tell you that you are not alone. I have to use Mac OS at work. To avoid frustration…

Nice thing on windows is I can open the command line type >bash and I've got vim, ssh, sftp, bash whatever immediately. I still don't use that because other telnet, x-window setups are better for me. I never found out how to be productive in OSX vs what I can do in Windows.

> Nice thing on windows is I can open the command line type >bash and I've got vim, ssh, sftp, bash whatever immediately.

Yes, macOS has a terminal emulator as well.

> I never found out how to be productive in OSX vs what I can do in Windows.

Open Spotlight, type in "Terminal" and hit return.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

Corrado wrote: post #656
bwat49 wrote: post #624

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> and it's not going to work if I'm copying and pasting kernel code from Stack Overflow to get my trackpad to scroll the correct direction When was the last time you used a linux desktop, 2005? On any linux desktop I can think of (MATE, Gnome, KDE) this is a matter of going to Settings | Mouse & Touchpad | check or un-check the natural scrolling box as desired

Actually, I just installed the latest lUbuntu and am having this exact problem. The preferences don't have a way to select natural scrolling and I've been "fighting" with it for a couple of days now, changing mysterious values in config files and restarting X. Then when I think I have it figured out a system update happens and it resets back to the original scrolling. This is the real value of macOS. I agree that I l…

Click the ubuntu (start) button. Type mouse. Click on Mouse and touchpad. Check/uncheck natural scrolling.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by foobiekr »

cptskippy wrote: post #64
jimrandomh wrote: post #30

Based on this article, it doesn't sound like Bloomberg has enough information to distinguish between Apple being committed to a transition, or Apple developing chips to improve their negotiating position with Intel. It's also very unlikely to happen on such a fast timetable; given the IP situation, it's unlikely Apple could make an x86_64 chip, and any move away from x86_64 is going to require significant work by thi…

Apple did a pretty decent job when they transitioned from PPC to x86_64, it has Rosetta to translate PPC to x86. Microsoft and partners released ARM based Windows Laptops this year that can run Win32 apps in emulation. What's stopping Apple from shipping Macbooks with a custom SoC that can run existing Apps in emulation until developers can recompile? I would argue that most Air and Macbook owners aren't developers a…

As much as Apple made a big deal marketing "Rosetta", behind the scenes it was a product from Transitive called QuickTransit. QuickTransit is gone now, absorbed by IBM. In comparison the 68k to PowerPC emulation was very primitive and slow and mostly appeared to work because of how unbelievably slow 68ks were vs PPC.

Re: Apple Plans to Use Its Own Chips in Macs from 2020, Replacing Intel

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Post by kofejnik »

Corrado wrote: post #656
bwat49 wrote: post #624

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and it's not going to work if I'm copying and pasting kernel code from Stack Overflow to get my trackpad to scroll the correct direction When was the last time you used a linux desktop, 2005? On any linux desktop I can think of (MATE, Gnome, KDE) this is a matter of going to Settings | Mouse & Touchpad | check or un-check the natural scrolling box as desired

Actually, I just installed the latest lUbuntu and am having this exact problem. The preferences don't have a way to select natural scrolling and I've been "fighting" with it for a couple of days now, changing mysterious values in config files and restarting X. Then when I think I have it figured out a system update happens and it resets back to the original scrolling. This is the real value of macOS. I agree that I l…

Make a bash script with these commands to fix it:

   xinput set-prop 'ELAN1200:00 04F3:301A Touchpad' 308 1
 
   xinput set-prop 'ELAN1200:00 04F3:301A Touchpad' 295 1
You'll need to replace 'ELAN1200:00 04F3:301A Touchpad' with your touchpad device name, which you can find out with 'xinput list'
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